HYPErion OS3.1 released!
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Commodore Amiga - Amiga OS 3.1
    > Amiga technology (Escom) - Amiga OS 3.1
    > Amiga International (Escom) - Amiga OS 3.1

    How are they different?
    Btw, while the Escom subsidiary was named Amiga Technologies, Amiga International was the name of the Gateway subsidiary.

    > Don't Village Tronic still have a license? Maybe they will throw
    > their hat in the ring? LOL!!

    They released the very first 3.1 version, the legality of which as well as the license they got from Commodore had been subject to legal disputes between them and Escom in court in 1997.

    http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_31.html
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    Quote:

    How are they different?


    Besides packaging? ;-) At least between Commodore and Escom versions I vaguely remember some minor differences. One seemed to be a problem with file flags. There was some other small differences, I just don't remember.

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    Btw, while Amiga Technologies was the name of the Escom subsidiary, Amiga International was the name of the Gateway subsidiary.


    You are correct, in my haste I typed that wrong.

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    > Don't Village Tronic still have a license? Maybe they will throw
    > their hat in the ring? LOL!!

    They released the very first 3.1 version, the legality of which has been subjects to legal disputes.

    http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_31.html


    Right... So there are SIX versions of Amiga OS 3.1! :-o
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > At least between Commodore and Escom versions I vaguely remember some minor
    > differences. One seemed to be a problem with file flags.

    But the binaries were the same?

    > There was some other small differences, I just don't remember.

    I'd like to read more on that as I always thought the contents of the 3.1 disks shipped by the succeeding parties (except the very first version from Village Tronic) was the same.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > At least between Commodore and Escom versions I vaguely remember some minor
    > differences. One seemed to be a problem with file flags.

    But the binaries were the same?

    > There was some other small differences, I just don't remember.

    I'd like to read more on that as I always thought the contents of the 3.1 disks shipped by the succeeding parties (except the very first version from Village Tronic) was the same.


    I don't have an account on AWN, but Olaf "Olsen" Barthel is posting there in their thread on this subject. If there is any definitive authority on OS3.1, it would probably be him.

    -Edit-
    As an interesting side note, Olsen claims he replaced the check mark with the boing ball 18 years ago, so it wasn't a recent HYPErion branding decision.

    [ Edited by redrumloa 14.10.2016 - 21:39 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    The unlicensed software component in 3.9 was AmiTCP, not its GUI Genesis. Amiga Inc. or Bill McEwen didn't ever seem to object to that.


    here is an official statement regarding the matter.

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    Anyway, the fact that Hyperion of all parties (basing AmigaOS 4.x on AmigaOS 3.1) mentions AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9 as regular AmigaOS releases on their websites speaks volumes.


    As I see it, Hyperion mostly mentions 3.5/3.9 just as lame excuses for why OS4 was so late :-)

    Sure, I think they were promised sources for 3.9, but on the other hand, there aren't that many worthy changes there anyway...

    Of course it was even less useful for 68k users back in the day, as you could simply get (in binary form) same / similar patches for free from aminet (newicons, classact, unofficial PPC support (WarpOS) ...)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > here is an official statement regarding the matter.

    Yes, I linked to it some years back:

    http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=9339&start=34

    >> Hyperion of all parties (basing AmigaOS 4.x on AmigaOS 3.1) mentions
    >> AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9 as regular AmigaOS releases on their websites

    > Hyperion mostly mentions 3.5/3.9 just as lame excuses for why OS4 was so late :-)

    Any links to such statements? They are not on their official websites, at least. And what I remember is quite to the contrary:

    "Luckily this isn't too much of a problem because of the fact that we entered into new agreements with all the individual OS 3.5 and 3.9 developers. The end-result is that we do have access to all the work for OS 3.5 and 3.9 not produced by H&P themselves."
    http://web.archive.org/web/20060111073306/http://www.swaug.org.uk/int010402.html
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    rob wrote:
    You'll recall that the A-EON 3.1 ROMs that various dealers now sell are licensed from Hyperion.


    You REALLY sure about this, Rob? I was under the impression the physical ROMs where licensed from Cloanto, and Ben Hermans himself seems to confirm this! :-o

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    @Nicsoft
    Do you mean like physical ROM chips?

    I have no idea if it is possible to still produce these.


    What an odd thing to say! :-o

    [ Edited by redrumloa 15.10.2016 - 17:11 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    rob wrote:
    You'll recall that the A-EON 3.1 ROMs that various dealers now sell are licensed from Hyperion.


    You REALLY sure about this, Rob? I was under the impression the physical ROMs where licensed from Cloanto, and Ben Hermans himself seems to confirm this! :-o

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    @Nicsoft
    Do you mean like physical ROM chips?

    I have no idea if it is possible to still produce these.


    What an odd thing to say! :-o




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    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Quote:

    rob wrote:
    You'll recall that the A-EON 3.1 ROMs that various dealers now sell are licensed from Hyperion.


    You REALLY sure about this, Rob? I was under the impression the physical ROMs where licensed from Cloanto, and Ben Hermans himself seems to confirm this! :-o

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    @Nicsoft
    Do you mean like physical ROM chips?

    I have no idea if it is possible to still produce these.


    What an odd thing to say! :-o


    They sell the Cloanto ROMs in addition to the the ones they licensed from Hyperion.


    The boingball branded ROMs are licensed by Hyperion and became available towards the end of 2012.

    Don't you remember the thread I started when I spotted the the ROMs in Amigakit's new products section?

    http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=36985&forum=25&18

    If you do, then you might also recall the reactionary thread you started on Moobunny where you tried to imply that I was suggesting that Amigakit were selling pirated ROMs.

    Anyway that all happened nearly 2 years before Cloanto launched their Classic Support range.

    https://www.amigaforever.com/news-events/classic-support-3-1/

    Other than lack of knowledge, I've no idea why Ben would think it might not be possible to burn physical version of 40.72.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > They sell the Cloanto ROMs in addition to the the ones they licensed from Hyperion.
    > The boingball branded ROMs are licensed by Hyperion

    Isn't this license just for the Boingball logo, not for the actual ROM or its content?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > They sell the Cloanto ROMs in addition to the the ones they licensed from Hyperion.
    > The boingball branded ROMs are licensed by Hyperion

    Isn't this license just for the Boingball logo, not for the actual ROM or its content?


    Right...
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  • rob
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > They sell the Cloanto ROMs in addition to the the ones they licensed from Hyperion.
    > The boingball branded ROMs are licensed by Hyperion

    Isn't this license just for the Boingball logo, not for the actual ROM or its content?


    This is from Ben's reply to a post by myself a few days ago.

    Hyperion has over the years always worked with any serious party wishing to license 68K Kickstarts "as is" for their products for* the 68K community including Individual Computers and AmigaKit.

    Source.

    Also read the text from the clearer images Alinea Computer have on their shop.

    588_0.png

    * correction of an apparent typo. Or instead of for.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >> Isn't this license just for the Boingball logo,
    >> not for the actual ROM or its content?

    > This is from Ben's reply to a post by myself a few days ago. [...]
    > Also read the text from the clearer images Alinea Computer have on their shop. [...]

    Thanks for the links.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    Quote:

    rob wrote:
    This is from Ben's reply to a post by myself a few days ago.

    Hyperion has over the years always worked with any serious party wishing to license 68K Kickstarts "as is" for their products for* the 68K community including Individual Computers and AmigaKit.

    Source.

    Also read the text from the clearer images Alinea Computer have on their shop.

    588_0.png



    I guess that could help explain the race to the bottom when it comes to physical Kickstart ROM pricing if there are truly 2 competing sources for dealers like A-Eonkit to license from. 10 years ago used KS3.1 ROM for A500 would have set you back $35, right now on A-Eonkit it is $14.62.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Wait, what? Clear as mud.

    LINK

    [ Edited by redrumloa 17.10.2016 - 12:15 ]
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  • rob
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    redrumloa wrote:
    Wait, what? Clear as mud.

    LINK


    Just Kolla's personal custom ROM. The text is probably just stored as a string so an average can probably at least change that using a hex editor.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    Quote:

    rob wrote:
    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Wait, what? Clear as mud.

    LINK


    Just Kolla's personal custom ROM. The text is probably just stored as a string so an average can probably at least change that using a hex editor.




    So the ROMs being sold don't have a Cloanto copyright and Boing Ball logo?
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  • rob
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    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Quote:

    rob wrote:
    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Wait, what? Clear as mud.

    LINK


    Just Kolla's personal custom ROM. The text is probably just stored as a string so an average can probably at least change that using a hex editor.




    So the ROMs being sold don't have a Cloanto copyright and Boing Ball logo?


    Can't you see that he built the ROM as a joke? The boingball logo and the Cloanto copyright text are something that he put in to poke fun at the current situation. There's nothing to be read into it.
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  • Cocoon
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > They sell the Cloanto ROMs in addition to the the ones they licensed from Hyperion.
    > The boingball branded ROMs are licensed by Hyperion

    Isn't this license just for the Boingball logo, not for the actual ROM or its content?



    The boingball logo is under license solely for the purpose of marketing AmigaOS "4"(Section 1C). So technically they should not have used it within the new kickstarts. ;)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    A user from the a1k forum asked Hyperion about upcoming kickrom updates. That's the answer he got.

    Quote:

    There is no decision yet about any future updates. This release is mainly meant
    for allowing people to get a legal copy of 3.1 and to verify our 3.x build
    environment.

    If there will be any future updates, it will as usual be a per-update-decision
    based on its contents. Free, upgrade discount, full prize, everything is possible.
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    "full prize"?
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    > "full prize"?

    Currently 9.19 USD per product.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > "full prize"?

    Currently 9.19 USD per product.


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prize


    Definition of prize

    1: something offered or striven for in competition or in contests of chance; also : premium 1d

    2: something exceptionally desirable

    3: archaic : a contest for a reward : competition
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    >>> "full prize"?

    >> Currently 9.19 USD per product.

    > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prize

    "Price" is what is meant obviously. If Jim quoted it for orthographic reasons I got it wrong.
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