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    KennyR
    Posts: 352 from 2003/3/4
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    Cego wrote:
    so this must be how it feels to be an OS4 fan. Intriguing!


    Don't say that until Bigfoot disappears and takes all his code with him one day for no disclosed reason, Frank Mariak is sued by Ralph Schmidt and puts MOS deeply in debt, and you're paying 30 euro for Multiview and Radeon graphics drivers.
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 1849 from 2003/6/4
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    An as to OS4, I actually am feeling some sympathy with Hyperion over this OS3.1 nonsense with Cloanto. .


    If you would have been part of the community back in the emerging days of MorphOS you wouldn't feel sympathy with Hyperion....
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2517 from 2003/2/24
    Feeling sympathy for Hyperion is like feeling sympathy for cancer cells...
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
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    KennyR
    Posts: 352 from 2003/3/4
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Feeling sympathy for Hyperion is like feeling sympathy for cancer cells...


    Nothing a course of cloantotherapy can't fix though :)
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    Jim
    Posts: 4693 from 2009/1/28
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    Zylesea wrote:
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    Jim schrieb:


    An as to OS4, I actually am feeling some sympathy with Hyperion over this OS3.1 nonsense with Cloanto. .


    If you would have been part of the community back in the emerging days of MorphOS you wouldn't feel sympathy with Hyperion....


    Actually, my use of the 68K processor pre-dates the Amiga, so yeah I remember the dramas after the death throws of Commodore.

    As our relationship is competitive, I'm not sure even if we'd been fairly treated we'd have too many kind words for the competition.
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    KennyR
    Posts: 352 from 2003/3/4
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    Jim wrote:
    Actually, my use of the 68K processor pre-dates the Amiga, so yeah I remember the dramas after the death throws of Commodore.

    As our relationship is competitive, I'm not sure even if we'd been fairly treated we'd have too many kind words for the competition.


    Oh, it started long before there was any competition. Ben started throwing his metaphorical faeces at MorphOS in 2001, after he signed the agreement with Amiga Inc. It wasn't until 2003 that MorphOS was released and not until 2005 that OS4 actually came out of beta.

    Competition is something Hyperion never really tolerated, at least while Ben was in charge.
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    Jim
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    KennyR wrote:
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    Jim wrote:
    Actually, my use of the 68K processor pre-dates the Amiga, so yeah I remember the dramas after the death throws of Commodore.

    As our relationship is competitive, I'm not sure even if we'd been fairly treated we'd have too many kind words for the competition.


    Oh, it started long before there was any competition. Ben started throwing his metaphorical faeces at MorphOS in 2001, after he signed the agreement with Amiga Inc. It wasn't until 2003 that MorphOS was released and not until 2005 that OS4 actually came out of beta.

    Competition is something Hyperion never really tolerated, at least while Ben was in charge.


    And yet there is still competition...
    Well, at least AInc. seems to have bowed out of all this.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9937 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    >> so this must be how it feels to be an OS4 fan. Intriguing!

    > Don't say that until Bigfoot disappears and takes all his code
    > with him one day for no disclosed reason

    MorphOS users and developers don't need to empathize with OS4 users and developers to experience such feeling :-)
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9937 from 2003/5/22
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    >> If you would have been part of the community back in the emerging days
    >> of MorphOS you wouldn't feel sympathy with Hyperion....

    > my use of the 68K processor pre-dates the Amiga, so yeah I remember
    > the dramas after the death throws of Commodore.

    You remember the 2001-2003ish MorphOS days because you were using a non-Amiga m68k platform 20 years earlier? This reasoning sounds ...strange.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9937 from 2003/5/22
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    > Ben started throwing his metaphorical faeces at MorphOS in 2001,
    > after he signed the agreement with Amiga Inc.

    Some say he wrote the draft contract for Amiga Inc. earlier in 2001, which was supposed to make MorphOS into AmigaOS 4 but was declined by the MorphOS team.

    > It wasn't until 2003 that MorphOS was released and not until 2005
    > that OS4 actually came out of beta.

    According to Wikipedia, MorphOS 1.0 was released in October 2002, and AmigaOS 4.0 in April 2004 (1st public release) or December 2006 (Final Update).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS#Release_history_of_0.x/1.x_series
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4#Versions
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1783 from 2003/2/24
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    According to Wikipedia, ......, and AmigaOS 4.0 in April 2004 (1st public release) or December 2006 (Final Update).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS#Release_history_of_0.x/1.x_series
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4#Versions



    Or somewhen in between when it suited Mr Hermans.

    AFAIR he declared PreRelease2 or 3 as "the release" so he could claim that AminoInc was late with the last of to 25000$ buyback payments.

    Or it was never properly released when it came to paying out earlier developers.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9937 from 2003/5/22
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    > AFAIR he declared PreRelease2 or 3 as "the release"

    Yes, in 2007 Hyperion declared that AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release Update 2 from December 2004 was the first OS4 release in terms of the requirements of the 2001 agreement.
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    Jim
    Posts: 4693 from 2009/1/28
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >> If you would have been part of the community back in the emerging days
    >> of MorphOS you wouldn't feel sympathy with Hyperion....

    > my use of the 68K processor pre-dates the Amiga, so yeah I remember
    > the dramas after the death throws of Commodore.

    You remember the 2001-2003ish MorphOS days because you were using a non-Amiga m68k platform 20 years earlier? This reasoning sounds ...strange.


    It shouldn't.
    When I was building 68K systems, I happened to think our hardware was cheaper and our operating system significantly better (than the Amiga).

    BUT, we did not have the graphics or sound capabilities of the Amiga, and those demos (especially the HAM image of Tut's golden sarcophagus) really caught my attention.

    Still, an OS9 license for the Amiga cost $2000 back then, AND the OS didn't support graphics or audio on the Amiga (at least our own machines did 1024 by 768 in 32bit color with the same OS).

    So...I rather longed for an Amiga, BUT they were too damned expensive, AND I would have had to rely on an OS that frequently threw up 'Guru Meditation' messages when things got complicated.

    But...to shorten my overall too verbose response...yes, I've kept track of Amiga/MorphOS development since day one.

    And MorphOS has a micro kernel just like Microware's OS9 68K did.
    Outside of Minix3, I don't know of too many other OS' soldiering along with this.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9937 from 2003/5/22
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    > HAM image of Tut's golden sarcophagus

    You mean the death mask, right?
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    Jim
    Posts: 4693 from 2009/1/28
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > HAM image of Tut's golden sarcophagus

    You mean the death mask, right?


    Yes, inner sarcophagus/death mask, whatever you want to call it.
    An item often missing in recent tours of Tut artifacts in the US (although the rest of the items are pretty stunning - particularly the bust of his creepy father).

    And that WAS a stunning image.
    Until VGA cards with 16/32 bit color became common, this was the feces. ;-)
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