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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
    Posts: 870 from 2008/7/11
    From: Delaware, USA
    What's the deal with burning on morph anyway? I spent all day with the fickle ffmpeg locking up, or incompleting, to finally compiling my mp4>mpg, got xml to set the TS only to have Jalapeno, and Frying pan fail to burn consecutively. I had to go to my HP laptop with the converted files, and drop them into img Burn to actually complete the burn process, which was done in around 8mins or so. Really annoying since I've done this several tmes before without this much hassle, and coastered DVDs
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
    From: Stockholm, Sweden
    I also finds burning in MorphOS to be quite unreliable. For example, my Mac Mini has been able to burn CD-RW for forever and one day it simply decided to not work anymore. Same was with my Powermacs. Everyone claimed they burned successfully but every time all they did was erasing the CD-RW. Burning normal CD-R did not work either. It was the same with three Poermacs. Only my Ibook and Powerbook seems to work fine for some reason.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2667 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    Quote:

    xyphoid wrote:
    What's the deal with burning on morph anyway? I spent all day with the fickle ffmpeg locking up, or incompleting, to finally compiling my mp4>mpg, got xml to set the TS only to have Jalapeno, and Frying pan fail to burn consecutively. I had to go to my HP laptop with the converted files, and drop them into img Burn to actually complete the burn process, which was done in around 8mins or so. Really annoying since I've done this several tmes before without this much hassle, and coastered DVDs


    Jalapeno has a log window - you can open it from the screen menu. Pasting the output from the burn process could help diagnose the issue. You can also try to run Jalapeno with a PRETEND argument to make it simulate the burning if you don't want to waste CDRs.

    However, if both Jalapeno and Frying pan fail to work for you, it likely means the problem lies in hardware. How old is the burner?
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    pan1k
    Posts: 147 from 2009/1/20
    I got Jalapeno on my MacMini to work by choosing the write speed. Settings -> Data Speed and try to find the highest number that works for you.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
    Posts: 870 from 2008/7/11
    From: Delaware, USA
    @jacadcaps it failed under my USB drive as well. In fact it got further on the usb under frying pan (1/2 way)before failing. The internal drive is as old as the macmini is silent upgrade model. How do you set up a PRETEND argument?
    The burner works as I used it moments aga to burn a cd

    @ Pan1k I was on the lowest settings.

    I may reboot and try suggestions later if I get time. BTW jalapeƱo doesn't recognize USB burner.

    [ Edited by xyphoid 20.09.2015 - 16:45 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 465 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    Hm, can't say I got problems with Jalapeno on my 2 Powerbooks. On the contrary, I was quite surprised to see that Japaleno really accepts the burning speed chosen! :) I wasn't accustomed to that from my Linux burning experience.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
    Posts: 870 from 2008/7/11
    From: Delaware, USA
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    ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
    Hm, can't say I got problems with Jalapeno on my 2 Powerbooks. On the contrary, I was quite surprised to see that Japaleno really accepts the burning speed chosen! :) I wasn't accustomed to that from my Linux burning experience.


    Did you burn a DVD, or CD? yes it burns cds well. DVDs another story....and I just coastered another dvd recently. again finished the task on a wintop
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2792 from 2006/3/21
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    Anyone using the original CD/DVD writers that came with their old Mac PPC hardware is begging for disappointment. They are flaky drives at best, and when they get that old, they are very unreliable.

    This does not mean I have an opinion regarding the quality or reliability of either MorphOS burning program for CD's or DVD's. I have not used either of them enough to know how well they work.

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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jPV
    Posts: 1891 from 2003/2/24
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    Quote:

    amigadave wrote:
    Anyone using the original CD/DVD writers that came with their old Mac PPC hardware is begging for disappointment. They are flaky drives at best, and when they get that old, they are very unreliable.

    This does not mean I have an opinion regarding the quality or reliability of either MorphOS burning program for CD's or DVD's. I have not used either of them enough to know how well they work.


    I guess I've been lucky, but I haven't had any problems with original Mac drives or Jalapeno. I've never had a coaster with them. I've burnt pretty many data CD/DVDs from ISO files and separate files from filesystem with Mac minis, Powerbook and iBook. Everything just works.

    But if one has problems, I'm betting hw fault than software in most cases. Unless someone proves that OSX or some other Amiga burning software (MakeCD, FryingPan, etc) can succeed while Jalapeno wouldn't.

    I've also ripped many audio CDs with Flacapella with the previously mentioned HW... no problems with that either.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Amigaharry2
    Posts: 989 from 2010/1/6
    From: EU-Austria (Wien)
    I use Mini (silent upgrade), PB(1,67Ghz) and G5(2,3Ghz) - since MOS 3.8 I've no problems burning CD or DVD with stock drives.
    I'ts reported that older versions of MOS may(!) have problems with some drives.......
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2792 from 2006/3/21
    From: Northern Calif...
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    jPV wrote:
    I guess I've been lucky, but I haven't had any problems with original Mac drives or Jalapeno. I've never had a coaster with them. I've burnt pretty many data CD/DVDs from ISO files and separate files from filesystem with Mac minis, Powerbook and iBook. Everything just works.

    But if one has problems, I'm betting hw fault than software in most cases. Unless someone proves that OSX or some other Amiga burning software (MakeCD, FryingPan, etc) can succeed while Jalapeno wouldn't.

    I've also ripped many audio CDs with Flacapella with the previously mentioned HW... no problems with that either.



    Congrats on your success rate! I agree that the problems with anyone burning CD's/DVD's is most likely hardware related, or lack of maintenance/cleaning of their drives.

    I have bought and sold, or given away many PPC Mac computers over the last 10 years, and have had first hand knowledge of the frequency of problems with their optical drives, not only while running MorphOS, but also while running Mac OSX, so I am quite sure the problems I encountered were hardware related, or because the drive was not cleaned and dust was causing faults.

    I have also heard from other users and some of my family members who have used Mac's for years regarding their problems with Mac optical drives, so I suspect that the brand they use is not the best quality, or most reliable.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1103 from 2013/5/24
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    Even my modern Intel Macs have terrible failure rates with optical drives. My PowerBook G4 is the only Mac I own that has a working original drive ironically. Can't say the same for any of my other Apple machines though.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 465 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
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    xyphoid schrieb:
    Did you burn a DVD, or CD? yes it burns cds well. DVDs another story....and I just coastered another dvd recently. again finished the task on a wintop

    Several iso-images on DVD-RW and CD-RW media at different speeds.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
    Posts: 870 from 2008/7/11
    From: Delaware, USA
    I'm happy for you all, but until you confirm burning movies....not iso, then I really don't care. The drive works well under macosx. The burning process fails under burning converted mpg to video files. As for the hardware, the usb drive also fails. so my hardware is still good for now. as stated, I can also burn files iso, and make cds whoopteedo!
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2792 from 2006/3/21
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    Quote:

    xyphoid wrote:
    I'm happy for you all, but until you confirm burning movies....not iso, then I really don't care. The drive works well under macosx. The burning process fails under burning converted mpg to video files. As for the hardware, the usb drive also fails. so my hardware is still good for now. as stated, I can also burn files iso, and make cds whoopteedo!


    So from your message above, I assume that the burning process fails before it completes under the MorphOS programs Jalepeno and "Burnit" (or what ever the other burning software is called that you are attempting to use to burn CD's & DVD's), not that the burning process appears to complete properly and the CD/DVD that was created is not readable. Is this correct?

    I will attempt to burn a movie file over this weekend to confirm my MorphOS systems can accomplish the task. I have not yet attempted to burn movie DVD's on any MorphOS system.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11609 from 2003/5/22
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    > "Burnit" (or what ever the other burning software is called that you are attempting
    > to use to burn CD's & DVD's)

    Frying Pan according to the initial posting.
  • »10.10.15 - 12:28
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