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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >>> I have donated computer gear to other developers in the past, but so far
    >>> I have not seen any programs completed for MorphOS by any of them

    >> That statement is demonstrably untrue.

    > It is absolutely true! [...] Not only have I not seen any software you or any other
    > programmer has written, using the donated computer I sent you and them [...],
    > I am not aware of any new software you [...] have written on that donated gear
    > (not counting a few updates you may have done to existing ports, or original
    > software you had already written prior to receiving the donated MorphOS compatible
    > computer, and even that software I have not seen, as I was not interested in
    > any of your prior ports, or software). Feel free to post a list of the great wealth
    > of MorphOS software you have written and completed since I donated the
    > 1.5GHz G4 MacMini to you years ago (not just updates and/or bug fixes to any
    > of the ports you had already completed prior to receiving the donated computer).
    > And where I can download this huge library of new software for MorphOS from?

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=10&topic_id=8432&start=21
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    Minuous
    Posts: 157 from 2010/2/13
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    amigadave wrote:
    Not only have I not seen any software you or any other programmer has written, using the donated computer I sent you and them over the last several years, I am not aware of any new software you, or any of the other programmers have written on that donated gear (not counting a few updates you may have done to existing ports, or original software you had already written prior to receiving the donated MorphOS compatible computer, and even that software I have not seen, as I was not interested in any of your prior ports, or software).


    http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/

    If you were not interested in further development of any of my software why are you bitching about it!? The only new piece of software I promised was a port of uBee512, which I have done as promised, as well as many updates to existing software.

    Feel free to list all the software you have done instead of just hassling Amiga/MOS developers. You make me sick.

    By the way, how is improving and updating software necessarily worse than making a new piece of software? Eg. the MCE program could have been done as 60 separate programs. According to your logic, MOS dev team must have done nothing for the last ten years or more, since they have "only" done updates to MOS.

    [ Edited by Minuous 18.07.2015 - 11:08 ]
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    The only thing I "bitched" about, was your attempt to call me a liar on a public forum.

    Your sensitivity regarding this topic might indicate something about yourself.

    [ Edited by amigadave 17.07.2015 - 23:56 ]
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2698 from 2003/2/24
    @Minuous

    Please ignore amigadave's rants here, he simply can't stand being wrong in public, he never could. Rest assured that the community greatly appreciates your past, current and future efforts!

    For this we thank you!

    :-)
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    Posts: 157 from 2010/2/13
    You slandered me in a public forum and expect me not to respond to this!? You think you can send me some $50 machine that didn't even work properly and I'm you slave forever? After I spend many hours fixing MOS issues? I develop 9 Amiga programs already. That's not enough, you demand 10. But your pathetic demanding attitude is not going to get me to write software after this.

    There are some in the community like Papiosaur that are trying to encourage developers, there are others like you that are just lamers who complain and don't write any programs.

    Anyone who looks at the release history for my software (http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/notes.rar) will realize that I have done more for the Amiga this year than you have done in your lifetime. So you can shove it.

    [ Edited by Minuous 18.07.2015 - 22:35 ]
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    itix
    Posts: 1516 from 2003/2/24
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    Minuous wrote:
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    amigadave wrote:
    I have donated computer gear to other developers in the past, but so far I have not seen any programs completed for MorphOS by any of them


    That statement is demonstrably untrue.


    Yup. Iam with you because I have completed programs for MorphOS, too. I received my first Pegasos over 10 years ago (I could not afford new or old hardware back then).

    However, from all those free Pegasos and Efika systems Genesi was throwing away maybe only 1% produced something. So in general it is fruitless but sometimes you can get something out with it.
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    Posts: 1946 from 2003/2/23
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    Minuous wrote:
    ..there are others like you that are just lamers who complain and don't write any programs.



    Greetings to elite, fuckings to lamers.

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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    @Minuous

    Please ignore amigadave's rants here, he simply can't stand being wrong in public, he never could. Rest assured that the community greatly appreciates your past, current and future efforts!

    For this we thank you!

    :-)


    Rant? Seriously?
    This from one of our serious ranters.
    And I haven't seen much resulting from bounties or donations either.
    For instance, how's that AREXX port coming?

    And like Dave, I have supported donations of equipment and funds in the past.

    So, from here out, I am only donating to people with a proven record of results.

    So, how is that "wrong"?
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    takemehomegrandma
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    @Jim

    Did you just manage to turn Bad into Worse? :-o
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
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    Did you just manage to turn Bad into Worse? :-o


    I pride myself on ALWAYS being able to be a bigger asshole than the next guy. ;)
    Besides, David wasn't that far off base.
    Donations have only worked well with developers that have proven track records.
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    Jupp3
    Posts: 1193 from 2003/2/24
    From: Helsinki, Finland
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    amigadave wrote:
    I have donated computer gear to other developers in the past, but so far I have not seen any programs completed for MorphOS by any of them


    On the other hand, price of a second hand Apple computer is worth almost nothing, compared to programmer salaries.

    As for development, I have a linux server for MorphOS cross development, which I could share access to (although I think I need to do some bigger updates before sharing access to several people). It's pretty standard debian environment with ssh server.

    And an important note for less technical people: A cross development environment is never a replacement for native MorphOS system. You can get programs compiled, but you have absolutely no way to run (or debug) them.

    Without reading all the posts here this far, the cheapest MorphOS system is probably a compatible PowerMac system, if you can find one locally. Especially if physical size is no issue.

    Personally I'm pretty low on income side currently, so I can't do much more, but could probably grant the server access after some time, if needed.
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    KuyaMarc wrote:
    Hello! I'm a disabled person living in the Philippines. Amiga hardware is not locally available. I'm living off a small disability income, so I can't buy someone else's product. The Amiga computer does not have to be new; if it can run MorphOS and/or AmigaOS without emulation, then I can accept it. If it has AmigaOS 4.1FE on it, then that would be better.

    I previously had the Amiga 500 in 1988...

    I want to start software development on a real Amiga computer. Thanks in advance.


    Hello KuyaMarc.

    We are glad that even people from the Philippines will join this community.

    Don't worry for the cold welcome.

    This is a small community of very harsh and rude people and we have all "poisonous teeth" as in 30 years of Amiga we saw literally dozens of good projects and developments of software fail miserably or migrate to other platforms.

    So again don't worry and be happy. To be an amigan or Morphos user requires to take life as it comes, with a certain quantity of humor.
    Bill Gates "Think!", Steve Jobs: "Think different!" So... Let these guy continue blabbering thinking and enjoy computing! We are on Amiga!
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