Memory limitation for G5's
  • Butterfly
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    Is there any problems caused when more than 1GB of memory is installed in supported G5 PowerMac's, such as for systems that are used for dual or triple booting MorphOS with MacOSX and/or Linux PPC?

    I would guess no problems would exist, but thought I should ask before setting up a dual or triple boot system with 8GB RAM installed.
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  • »07.02.15 - 21:34
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  • MorphOS Developer
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    Posts: 1030 from 2004/9/23
    No. memory above 1 GB will simply not used. There are no additional limitations.
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  • Butterfly
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    Is fixing the memory limit in MorphOS one of those things that would break all compatibility with older Amiga 68k software, so we will not see the ability to use more than 1.5gb RAM in most MorphOS compatible systems, and only 1gb in the G5 systems, for a long time (or always, while on PPC systems)?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Short answer: yes.
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  • MorphOS Developer
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    Posts: 1030 from 2004/9/23
    The 1GB limitation was a sacrifice the MorphOS Team made to release with the G5 support in time. The limit will be gone with MorphOS 3.8.

    You will have around the same amount of memory as you have on PowerBook.
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    geit wrote:
    The 1GB limitation was a sacrifice the MorphOS Team made to release with the G5 support in time. The limit will be gone with MorphOS 3.8.

    You will have around the same amount of memory as you have on PowerBook.


    Thanks, I rather assumed that.

    And the difference between 1 and 1.5 mb has never been a significant issue for me.

    I don't know if anyone is helping Mark continue to refine G5 support (my contact with MorphOS developers is limited to occasional messages to Mark or Frank - who I find to be remarkable individuals -, and even then it is intentionally infrequent and I limit my questions/requests or other forms of prying).

    I DO know development continues on multiple fronts and, once again, would ask all to remain patient with the assurance that what you will eventually receive will be remarkable.

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    > the difference between 1 and 1.5 mb has never been a significant issue for me.

    ...whereas the 1000-fold difference we're speaking about here has been, right? ;-) I for one could make use of 0.5 GiB more, but with Mac mini sadly not possible.
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    Quote:

    geit wrote:
    The 1GB limitation was a sacrifice the MorphOS Team made to release with the G5 support in time. The limit will be gone with MorphOS 3.8.

    You will have around the same amount of memory as you have on PowerBook.


    50% higher amount always welcome :)
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > the difference between 1 and 1.5 mb has never been a significant issue for me.

    ...whereas the 1000-fold difference we're speaking about here has been, right? ;-) I for one could make use of 0.5 GiB more, but with Mac mini sadly not possible.


    Thanks for the quick spelling check Andreas. ;)

    Did I ever mention my first computer project had 2KB of memory.
    Man, 1-1.5MB? Monstrous! (Didn't Bill Gates say something about 640K being more than enough?).

    Uh, yeah, right 1-1.5 GB.

    BTW - What about the other 6.5GBs of memory my G5s have (or if we ever switch to X86, the 32GB my one system has).

    Sheesh! We are talking about an AmigaOS offshoot guys!.
    1 GB of memory?
    Damn we are already doing good.

    Addendum - 32GB on an X86 personal system is essentially useless (might as well sell half of the memory just to make some cash). Not that THAT was on topic.
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  • Butterfly
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Didn't Bill Gates say something about 640K being more than enough?


    Nope
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    Britelite wrote:
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Didn't Bill Gates say something about 640K being more than enough?


    Nope


    I think he did. But I also think he meant the existing generation and not as a rule that would apply forever.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Having more memory on morphos can be important for owb it really eat memory. My 1gb are full in one hour of browsing. Fortunatly a restart of owb solve this problem.
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  • Jim
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    acepeg wrote:
    Having more memory on morphos can be important for owb it really eat memory. My 1gb are full in one hour of browsing. Fortunatly a restart of owb solve this problem.


    That is my only real memory related issue as well.
    But then, OWB has proven more reliable for me than other browsers on my X64 systems.

    Oh, and obviously the Bill Gates comment is dated.
    Isn't he essentially irrelevent this days anyway?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Quote:

    geit wrote:
    The 1GB limitation was a sacrifice the MorphOS Team made to release with the G5 support in time. The limit will be gone with MorphOS 3.8.

    You will have around the same amount of memory as you have on PowerBook.


    Are you saying it will be 1.5gb?

    I'd prefer to hear that we can get at least 2gb.
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  • MorphOS Developer
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    bash64 wrote:
    Are you saying it will be 1.5gb?



    1.5GB indeed.
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  • Butterfly
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    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    I think he did. But I also think he meant the existing generation and not as a rule that would apply forever.

    He himself denies ever saying it, and no-one has been able to find a real quote of him saying it, so...
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    Britelite wrote:
    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    I think he did. But I also think he meant the existing generation and not as a rule that would apply forever.

    He himself denies ever saying it, and no-one has been able to find a real quote of him saying it, so...



    Then again, he probably still denies that he never rendered payment for the OS that MS-DOS was based on OR that DOS was an obvious rip off of CPM.
    Amazing the someone can get in that rich by copying other people's intellectual property.
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  • Butterfly
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Then again, he probably still denies that he never rendered payment for the OS that MS-DOS was based on OR that DOS was an obvious rip off of CPM.


    Sure, but still, nobody has provided any real quotes of him saying the famous 640k comment.
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    Britelite wrote:
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Then again, he probably still denies that he never rendered payment for the OS that MS-DOS was based on OR that DOS was an obvious rip off of CPM.


    Sure, but still, nobody has provided any real quotes of him saying the famous 640k comment.




    Well, we DO love our myths in the US (wanna bet George Washington COULD tell a lie?).

    And, obviously more is always better (at least until you get up to about 16GB, after which it gets kind of pointless).
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    > he probably still denies that he never rendered payment for the OS that MS-DOS was based on

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS#Creation_of_PC.C2.A0DOS

    > OR that DOS was an obvious rip off of CPM. Amazing the someone can get in that rich
    > by copying other people's intellectual property.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS#Intellectual_property_dispute
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    Zylesea
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    Quote:

    Jim schrieb:
    Quote:

    geit wrote:
    You will have around the same amount of memory as you have on PowerBook.


    Thanks, I rather assumed that.

    And the difference between 1 and 1.5 mb has never been a significant issue for me.



    The difference is massive. The 1GB with my Mac mini are eaten up quickly with Odyssey while the 1.5 GB of my Powerbook are enough for many things. Especially the google adwords back end is consuming RAM massively. With 1 GB it's hard to use at all while it's rather okay with 1.5 GB.

    Having 1.5 GB RAM instead of 1GB on the G5 is a major enhancement and brings me to the point where I could imagine to switch to a G5, too (if they weren't that bulky and such terrible power hogs....).
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Quote:

    bash64 wrote:
    Are you saying it will be 1.5gb?



    1.5GB indeed.


    I was lead to believe the 1GB limit on G5 would be permanent. Glad it isn't.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    The greatest problem with Odyssey is leak of memory when playing Youtube-videos. After 5-6 videos system is running out of memory. In the past, when getvideo was maintained, we could use MPLAYER instead of Odysseys builtin player, which does'nt have such problems......(and btw., MPLAYER plays videos much more smoother even on 1GHz-Pegasos systems)
    It would be nice if Odyssey could give choice to use MPLAYER after decoding Youtube-video-address......
    If G5 services now 1,5GB - fine, but the problem occours only a few videos later......
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