New PPC Motherboards?
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Everblue
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    Just wondering, are there any PPC based motherboards still being produced in some form or another that future MorphOS releases can be released for? And I don't mean Sam460 and X1000/5000 =)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > are there any PPC based motherboards still being produced in some form or another that
    > future MorphOS releases can be released for? And I don't mean Sam460 and X1000/5000 =)

    Freescale's QorIQ reference and development boards:
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8329&start=76

    Tyan's POWER8 reference board:
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=9463&start=71

    ...and A-Eon's coming X3500:
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=862 ;-)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Thanks =)

    And I see what you did there .... :P - I suspect that those first 2 motherboards you listed make the X1000's price look like peanuts. Hopefully, I am wrong.
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    > I suspect that those first 2 motherboards you listed make the X1000's price
    > look like peanuts. Hopefully, I am wrong.

    Prices are public, so comparing is easy (prices in USD):

    995 - Freescale P2041RDB
    1250 - Freescale T1040RDB
    1445 - Freescale T4240RDB
    1499 - Freescale T2080RDB
    2245 - Freescale P4080COME-DS
    2441 - A-Eon AmigaOne X1000 Nemo
    2753 - Tyan Palmetto GN70-BP010 with SP010GM2NR (promo price effective until year end)
    2995 - Freescale P5020RDB, P5040RDB
    3995 - Freescale P3041DS, P5040DS, T4240QDS
    4000 - Freescale P4080DS, P5020DS
  • »16.12.14 - 14:40
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Well the cheapest one stretches my budget but I *could* get one. But I doubt Morphos for these boards will ever happen.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    And those prices are cheap???
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    > And those prices are cheap???

    The Tyan system is very cheap compared to other POWER8 systems starting at 7973 USD :-)
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    No, that is way too expensive. Just port to SAM boards/computers, and then later port to ARM and or MIPS devices, or even better ... Reunite with Genesi.

    [ Edited by In_Correct 16.12.2014 - 16:13 ]
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    Nostromo wrote:
    Well the cheapest one stretches my budget but I *could* get one. But I doubt Morphos for these boards will ever happen.


    I hope not, since they are reference boards thus not really meant for consumers. The Amiga One from Eyetech should have been an important lesson learnt for anyone paying attention. Reference boards are also often extra expensive and often come with both development tools and licenses/terms that consumers aren't really interested in.


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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    The Tyan system is very cheap compared to other POWER8 systems starting at 7973 USD :-)


    I really want that one, I so really do! A Power8! And for this, it's indeed *very* cheap!

    But $2700 is simply *way* too much money for me... :-/


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    In_Correct wrote:
    or even better ... Reunite with Genesi.


    Well, I can't say I've seen any signs of life from that direction in a loooong time...?
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  • »16.12.14 - 21:24
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    _ThEcRoW wrote:
    And those prices are cheap???


    Who said they are cheap =)
  • »17.12.14 - 04:58
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    In_Correct wrote:
    No, that is way too expensive. Just port to SAM boards/computers, and then later port to ARM and or MIPS devices, or even better ... Reunite with Genesi.


    What are Genesi doing these days exactly? Other than running conferences in 3rd world countries?
  • »17.12.14 - 04:59
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    I hope not, since they are reference boards thus not really meant for consumers. The Amiga One from Eyetech should have been an important lesson learnt for anyone paying attention. Reference boards are also often extra expensive and often come with both development tools and licenses/terms that consumers aren't really interested in.


    I mean if it came with Morphos or something, otherwise I have zero interest of course :)
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    Note: Tyan's offer is full system. Not only the mobo which make this offer a real bargain.
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    >>> I doubt Morphos for these boards will ever happen.

    >> I hope not, since they are reference boards thus not really meant for consumers. [...]
    >> Reference boards [...] often come with both development tools and licenses/terms
    >> that consumers aren't really interested in.

    > I mean if it came with Morphos or something, otherwise I have zero interest of course :)

    Even if MorphOS was ported to any of those boards/systems, they would surely never be shipped with MorphOS. It would certainly be a matter of buying such board/system with whatever OS it comes with (if any) and then downloading and installing MorphOS separately at one's own risk.
  • »17.12.14 - 08:45
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    Can you imagine dropping 4000 Euro on a motherboard only to find MorphOS doesn't work =D

    Ouch.
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    Can you imagine dropping 4000 euro on any motherboard?
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    :)
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    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    @Nostromo

    Can you imagine dropping 4000 euro on any motherboard?



    I once seen a dev board that used 8000 Euro FPGAs. It had 6 of them...
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > I suspect that those first 2 motherboards you listed make the X1000's price
    > look like peanuts. Hopefully, I am wrong.

    Prices are public, so comparing is easy (prices in USD):

    995 - Freescale P2041RDB
    1250 - Freescale T1040RDB
    1445 - Freescale T4240RDB
    1499 - Freescale T2080RDB
    2245 - Freescale P4080COME-DS
    2441 - A-Eon AmigaOne X1000 Nemo
    2753 - Tyan Palmetto GN70-BP010 with SP010GM2NR (promo price effective until year end)
    2995 - Freescale P5020RDB, P5040RDB
    3995 - Freescale P3041DS, P5040DS, T4240QDS
    4000 - Freescale P4080DS, P5020DS


    Are these motherboard except AONE X1000 just evaluation or test motherboard? This fact could justify high prices as they are experimental and not produced in high quantities

    [ Edited by Raf_MegaByte 21.12.2014 - 09:57 ]
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  • »21.12.14 - 07:56
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Are these motherboard except AONE X1000 just evaluation or test motherboard?

    Yes, as I wrote in my first posting to this thread, the Freescale boards are development (DS) and reference (RDB) boards and the Tyan one is a reference board.
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Are these motherboard except AONE X1000 just evaluation or test motherboard?

    Yes, as I wrote in my first posting to this thread, the Freescale boards are development (DS) and reference (RDB) boards and the Tyan one is a reference board.


    Once I made a search on Alibaba.com for chinese manufacturers who work also with PPC processors. I selected 4 in base at some criteria like number of workers, volume of sellings, etcetera. I had their mail on the computer that got broken. I have to pick back the hard disk from it and get the mail addresses of the factories.

    We can send mail to these manufacturers and verify how much they ask for prototyping a PPC motherboard, and how much it costs to produce a first batch of motherboards.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Sounds cool! Even though I suspect it will cost an arm and a leg :-)
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    Once Enrico Morocutti of ACube (not sure about the name. My memory got bad sometimes), said to me that prototyping a new motherboard SAM, costs ACube at least 50.000 euro. Producing a certain number of batches (2 or 3) it costed the same fo a total of 100.000. All made in Europe, not in China that is cheaper,

    Butremember that in China often precision and reliability often is sure very lower than Europe manufacturing.

    As long as the lack of hardware is a very pressing problem for all Amiga community, i think that if we hire a bounty, then even A-EON, morphOS team and A-Cube could partecipate the bounty and donate the best part of the sum required for prototyping.

    Well, at least they will be the main subjects interested in it, as they will be the dealers for selling it.

    If an Amiga PPC Motherboard could drop to 299 Euro it will be sure a deal for entire community, in the lack of any ARM or Intel porting..

    I could chek where are those mail address on hard disk kept sleeping in the dead computer and ask those firms.

    Well, asking these manufacturers how much they pretend for prototyping it is just a question, and asking costs no money....

    [ Edited by Raf_MegaByte 22.12.2014 - 14:22 ]
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    http://octopart.com/partsearch#!?q=powerpc&start=0&limit=10&filter%5Bfields%5D%5Bcategory_uids%5D%5B%5D=2f57e25d1efcf490&sortby=avg_price%20desc

    Just a quick look at how much cost a suitable PowerPC CPU for desktop usage nowadays...
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    Tcheko wrote:
    @Raf_MegaByte

    http://octopart.com/partsearch#!?q=powerpc&start=0&limit=10&filter%5Bfields%5D%5Bcategory_uids%5D%5B%5D=2f57e25d1efcf490&sortby=avg_price%20desc

    Just a quick look at how much cost a suitable PowerPC CPU for desktop usage nowadays...




    I have not been posting for awhile (not feeling too good), but I had weigh in on this one.

    Your pricing quotes are not very accurate, as you are looking at the wrong parts.
    There are several new PPCs that could be used that are much lower in price (ask Andreas and I'm sure he can point to a few).

    As to the Chinese, I've had some very good boards fabbed by them.

    Assembly, on the other hand, could be tricky.

    And I'm not sure that the lowest price is as attractive as some of the higher end options.
    Power8 is facinating.
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