PPC Laptop, something for MorphOS?
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    Kronos wrote
    And what exactly would be more modern?
    It’s just another ancient SoC containing even older cores only deemed for legacy support.
    Some onboard parts that could be added to an x5000 via PCIe.

    Best case scenario is kinda like a 2007 iBook with questionable build quality.

    The ship for this project has sailed long ago.


    CPU GPU RAM to G4 laptops, almost everything.

    Surely x5000 is closeby by design, but even PA Semi was ment for laptop efficiency\
    some crazy people made it into a full desktop :D
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    KennyR wrote:

    PPC is dead.


    Its a zombie. In SW it isnt dead yet as many Linux distros support it.
    But as kernel support for m68k (original Linux arch) is now removed,
    one day, not so far will PPC32 at least - PPC64 (G5 plus) might live some more.

    We still those QUIRK (I call them WEIRD) CPUs left and some FPGA, and beside
    IBM POWER, thats it.

    What if zombies could walk

    Zombie walk 2022
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > kernel support for m68k (original Linux arch) is now removed

    Is it? The m68k Linux kernel development mailing list looks busy as usual to me. Besides, the original Linux platform is x86. m68k was second.
  • »28.11.24 - 14:41
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > kernel support for m68k (original Linux arch) is now removed

    Is it? The m68k Linux kernel development mailing list looks busy as usual to me. Besides, the original Linux platform is x86. m68k was second.


    Hmmm ... my mistake since Linus learne ASM on QLs 68008.
    You are right, its about time he got 386 (as usual)

    However I am not wrong on moveaway
    IDE https://www.phoronix.com/news/m68k-Switches-To-Libata
    Kernel https://lwn.net/Articles/769694/

    As with PPC it does not kill community efforts.
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    >>> kernel support for m68k (original Linux arch) is now removed

    >> Is it?

    > I am not wrong on moveaway
    > IDE https://www.phoronix.com/news/m68k-Switches-To-Libata
    > Kernel https://lwn.net/Articles/769694/

    None of those links supports your claim of Linux kernel support for m68k having been removed. Quite to the contrary, your first link from 2021 describes how m68k support was retained by switching the m68k kernel from the legacy IDE API to modern libata. Your second link from 2018 merely mentions that that year's Kernel Maintainers Summit had discussions of removing support for old architectures like m68k due to their kernels using old APIs. As your first link and the fact that m68k is today, as much as 6 years later, still an officially supported architecture, are testimony of, the m68k kernel maintainers managed to switch the kernel from the old APIs to the new ones (which include both the IDE/ATA API as per the 2021 article and the timer API as per the 2018 article comments).
    Bottom line: You are wrong ideed :-)
  • »29.11.24 - 09:10
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Bottom line: You are wrong ideed :-)


    OK. I will use argument m68k Linux is less developed then AROS
    but hey, its not bad it lives!

    However, jokes aside, seems Linux kernel will be "cleansed of all old heaten" if not now, then in near future.


    [ Edited by vox 04.12.2024 - 19:25 ]
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    > m68k Linux is less developed then AROS

    Strictly speaking, Linux is just the kernel. I'm not sure how to compare that to an OS like AROS. But if we take a Linux-based OS (i.e. distribution) like Debian, it seems rather recent and complete:

    http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/current/
    http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/pool-m68k/main/

    I'd hazard the guess that for most use cases and as long as the hardware is fast enough (e.g. emulated m68k), Debian/m68k still has more to offer than AROS on any ISA (except for the web browser situation compared to AROS/x64).

    > seems Linux kernel will be "cleansed of all old heaten" if not now,
    > then in near future.

    That's not quite how it works. Linux kernel support simply depends on whether or not there are active maintainers who keep the kernel development in sync for a given ISA. There are many cases of newer ISAs not supported anymore while older ISAs still are. m68k has been a tremendously popular ISA even to this day. As soon as the current m68k maintainers step down and there'll be no replacement for them found, the m68k Linux kernel development will be dead, but not before.
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