X1000 and A1222
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    KennyR
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    That bitrate should be much more like the original mkv file quality, I think. (It's hard to say as I don't know the original, as it was listed as 0 kbps. I've seen that before though. It's apparently difficult to get encoding tools to show bitrate of an MKV file).

    Does it play alright?

    Edit: Yes it does. I just can't read. Must indeed be the codec.

    [ Edited by KennyR 19.06.2018 - 21:24 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9834 from 2003/5/22
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    > Found one reason why my linux video playback with the Radeon Fire MV2260
    > card for 1080p is not so good. H.264 decoding only supported for Radeon HD4000
    > and newer .MPEG4 decoding only supported for Radeon HD6000 and newer .

    In comment #82, you wrote that it's not better with your HD6570.
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    Spectre660
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    @Andres_Wolf

    That comment is correct.
    I was doing a test of a converted 1080P H.264 Star Wars - The Last Jedi Trailer .
    I was surprised that I was not getting better performance with the HD6570 so something may not be working as it should .

    Will also double check the vo options on mpv with the MV2260 and see if it makes a difference .


    [ Edited by Spectre660 19.06.2018 - 18:24 ]
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    Spectre660
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    Also the bit rate is indeed a factor .
    Some audio stutter in a few fast action areas in the movie .

    Quote:

    KennyR wrote:
    That bitrate should be much more like the original mkv file quality, I think. (It's hard to say as I don't know the original, as it was listed as 0 kbps. I've seen that before though. It's apparently difficult to get encoding tools to show bitrate of an MKV file).

    Does it play alright?

    Edit: Yes it does. I just can't read. Must indeed be the codec.
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    Spectre660
    Posts: 176 from 2015/6/30
    Linux video playback is using the opengl driver by default.
    Should be using the VDPAU driver for best performance .
    Current Radeon VDPAU for PowerPC seems to be broken or not enabled in most distributions .

    Caseycullen has compiled a version of Mesa and appears to have the Radeon VDPAU driver working.
    So we can probably ask him about VDPAU video playback .
    Link

    [ Edited by Spectre660 19.06.2018 - 22:12 ]
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  • vox
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    vox
    Posts: 385 from 2003/11/25
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    Acill wrote:
    My opinion is to support 1222 just because of it the lower cost entry point into NG platforms and they plan to make a lot of them once 4.1FE is available publicly for it. I dont like the biard much, but I do see a place for it. It would be silly not to support it just because of spite.


    I do understand opting for A1222 once its avail. It would be a low cost entry to MOS world too and a sound replacement for Efika, and Peg2 as well.

    However, as x1000 user ("an NG experiment") I would opt for x1000 support too. x1000 users are quite abandoned by OS4 (no CFE updates, no newtork driver, no OS 4.2), its powerful enough not to be replaced by x5000 (in fact Nemo board is quite expandable and Altivec saves the day). So I am sure x1000 owners would get MOS. And I would not need to find space for a PPC Mac :-)
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9834 from 2003/5/22
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    > x1000 users are quite abandoned by OS4 (no CFE updates

    Huh? That's like saying Pegasos users were abandoned by MorphOS because lack of SmartFirmware updates.

    > no newtork driver

    ...for on-board Ethernet. Nemo has slots for supported Ethernet cards.

    > no OS 4.2)

    That's certainly not specific to X1000 users.
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  • vox
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    vox
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > x1000 users are quite abandoned by OS4 (no CFE updates

    >Huh? That's like saying Pegasos users were abandoned by MorphOS because lack of SmartFirmware >updates.



    Well, they dont have buggy CFE that doesnt see the USB ports without interruption, does corrupt the CF cards if you writte new files to it, cannot really boot a device etc.

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    > no newtork driver
    >...for on-board Ethernet. Nemo has slots for supported Ethernet cards.



    Well I do consider what is on Nemo board. Only sound, once core and SATA is supported. There is no AOS/Linux Xorro tools,no second core support, no support for 8GB RAM board can fit etc. And PCI slot card is 10mbps while onboard is 100mbps. Funniest thing is that even with driver OS4 could not handle 100 mbps.


    Quote:


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    no OS 4.2)

    That's certainly not specific to X1000 users.



    Same as with promised Timberwolf and Libre at time of x1000 launch.
    Not a x1000 alone problem but affects is usability.

    While OS 4.2 is badly needed for Tabor and x5000 too, x1000 owners
    are the one prepaying it with the machine, and whereby manual clearly
    states we are entitled to free OS 4.2 copy and that included OS 4.1u5
    is provisional until then. Not to mention beside dual core, I do miss
    Gallium and CUPS. Meanwhile one had to buy FE and Enhancer to get some of
    OS 4.2 promised feats.

    And one has to remember Trevor was advertising
    it as "ideal OS4 machine"

    ---------------------------
    Obligement interview
    Prior to beginning the development,
    we assembled a hardware review team which
    included Hyperion and key AmigaOS 4 developers.

    After some intensive research and discussions,
    the team drew up a "wish list" specification
    for the ideal AmigaOS 4 computer.
    ---------------------------

    What is sad is that UEA JIT for x1000 proves even single core Pa6t
    can reach decent performance,
    but I dont "feel" it under OS 4.1.5/OS 4.1FEu1 Enhancer for x1000
    . Same goes for Linux where newer GCC has PA Semi support.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9834 from 2003/5/22
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    >>> x1000 users are quite abandoned by OS4 (no CFE updates

    >> Huh? That's like saying Pegasos users were abandoned by MorphOS
    >> because lack of SmartFirmware updates.

    > they dont have buggy CFE

    Indeed, they just have buggy SmartFirmware ;-)

    > that doesnt see the USB ports without interruption, does corrupt the CF cards
    > if you writte new files to it, cannot really boot a device etc.

    This may all be true, yet constitutes abandoned CFE, not OS4.

    >>> no newtork driver

    >> ...for on-board Ethernet. Nemo has slots for supported Ethernet cards.

    > I do consider what is on Nemo board. Only sound, once core and SATA
    > is supported.

    Sorry, I can't parse this.

    > There is no AOS/Linux Xorro tools,no second core support, no support
    > for 8GB RAM board can fit

    Same as on X5000, so no sign of particular X1000 abandonment.

    > PCI slot card is 10mbps while onboard is 100mbps.

    Onboard controller is GbE, and PCI slot card is 100MbE. You can simply use an OS4-supported GbE card in a PCI(e) slot, btw.

    >>> no OS 4.2)

    >> That's certainly not specific to X1000 users.

    > Same as with promised Timberwolf and Libre at time of x1000 launch.

    Timberwolf release was in time for the public X1000 launch, and original LibreOffice announcement was made at AmiWest following the public X1000 launch.
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    number6
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    Quote:

    number6 wrote:
    Quote:

    number6 wrote:
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > in October 1000 new AmigaOne A1222 boards will be released to the community.

    Hasn't this already been postponed to early 2018? They must be 3 years old by then.

    > Charge those users a $100 license fee

    I wouldn't find it fair to charge them more than Sam460 user (49 EUR).


    In July, 2017 interview Trevor said that he was "hopeful" that there would be an announcement
    by the end of 2017. If I can find anything more recent from the source, I'll post it.

    Source

    #6






    I promised to post anything new mentioned on this topic. Although not earth shattering, here it is.

    Trevor's most recent blog seems to basically repeat what he has said in the past:

    Quote:

    Although there is still some work needed to done on audio and Ethernet drivers before the AmigaOne A1222 can be commercially released, the FPU optimization appears to be progressing well.


    Nevertheless, apparently they are taking it to AmiWest and intend to do a demo.

    Quote:

    the plan is to show AmigaOS 4.1 running on the AmigaOne A1222 in a live public demonstration for the first time.


    Source for both quotes

    #6




    another brief update in the q/a link (June, 2018)

    Slightly more recent response from the Hyperion side:
    Source July 9, 2018

    #6
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  • vox
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    vox
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    > that doesnt see the USB ports without interruption, does corrupt the CF cards
    > if you writte new files to it, cannot really boot a device etc.

    This may all be true, yet constitutes abandoned CFE, not OS4.

    I ment that support and optimization to system is anandoned.
    For example, amigaboot.of like LILO loader could be made for Linux,
    instead they opted for painfull DDing.


    > There is no AOS/Linux Xorro tools,no second core support, no support
    > for 8GB RAM board can fit

    Same as on X5000, so no sign of particular X1000 abandonment.

    Surely, maybe its better to call it half-done, half-usable.

    But since Uboot and Linux updates do come more frequent to X5000, lets say its beginning of a bit ... Similarly SAM460 driver for internal SATAs DMA was never done, and not intended to.


    > PCI slot card is 10mbps while onboard is 100mbps.

    Onboard controller is GbE, and PCI slot card is 100MbE. You can simply use an OS4-supported GbE card in a PCI(e) slot, btw.

    Thanks for correction. Problem is it was sold as system where we were told cards are temporary meassure until OS 4.2 arrives

    >>> no OS 4.2)

    >> That's certainly not specific to X1000 users.

    Again, is as we have prepaid it and only ones to have attached license for free download. And its hard to find it now, machine was even announced with OS 4.2 at one point.

    > Same as with promised Timberwolf and Libre at time of x1000 launch.

    Timberwolf release was in time for the public X1000 launch, and original LibreOffice announcement was made at AmiWest following the public X1000 launch.

    ... yes and then I purchased it and got to have none (TW is no longer usable since FE and is left in quite crazy state)
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  • »14.07.18 - 10:14
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    takemehomegrandma
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    TW was *never* that usable if you're honest about it, right?
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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    Spectre660
    Posts: 176 from 2015/6/30
    Actually Timberwolf is still quite usable for me. (Sam4060ex and X5000/020)
    The main problem for me is interaction between the program window and keyboard and mouse after scrolling for a while . The processing buffer seems to get filled up so there is "Ghost" scrolling when you are not pressing keys or using the mouse.
    Can be eliminated by using PgUp and PgDn instead of scrolling .
  • »14.07.18 - 11:30
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1041 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    TW was *never* that usable if you're honest about it, right?

    Even if it had been perfect in every way when it was first released, i.e. faster than Odyssey and rock stable on all hardware platforms, you would still be talking about a web browser that was first released in 2010, so 8 years ago, and which has not received any major engine updates since.

    If anybody is curious about what it feels like to browse today's web with a web browser as old as this, feel free to download Odyssey v1.11, which is about as old.

    Before the arrival of the newly released Odyssey v1.25, how many discussions have there been on MorphZone about Odyssey becoming too outdated and lacking compatibility? Well, those versions were released several years after 2010...


    And if anybody would like to know what a fully uptodate version of a Firefox derivative with truly impressive technical features such as a Javascript JIT compiler would be like on MorphOS or similar platforms, just run TenFourFox on MacOS PPC. The performance difference between this and Webkit-based browsers is quite striking (YouTube, etc). Tragically, not in a good way.

    While its performance is fine on fast modern systems, Firefox is simply not designed (anymore) to run well on 'low-end' hardware whereas Webkit is deployed on many millions of inexpensive entry-level smartphones, for instance.
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    Spectre660
    Posts: 176 from 2015/6/30
    Browsers on OS 4.1FE may benefit from improved graphics card drivers.
    Odyssey screen refreshes and rendering seem snappier on Sam460ex with a Radeon Rx550 Polaris card.
    Also rarely have the pthreads crashes .



    [ Edited by Spectre660 14.07.2018 - 08:36 ]
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 210 from 2015/6/18
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    Quote:

    ASiegel schrieb:
    While its performance is fine on fast modern systems, Firefox is simply not designed (anymore) to run well on 'low-end' hardware whereas Webkit is deployed on many millions of inexpensive entry-level smartphones, for instance.

    Indeed. OWB 1.24 (didn't get around installing 3.11 yet) is MUCH faster than Firefox 52.9.0 running on the same G5. And this is even on Gentoo, specifically tuned to the G5.

    Though I am curious how Firefox 60+ will perform when (if?) I get rust running on ppc64 to build recent Firefox on the G5.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9834 from 2003/5/22
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    > Uboot and Linux updates do come more frequent to X5000

    Indeed, I can't remember any U-Boot update for the X1000 ;-) Seriously, it's my impression that xeno74 seems to update Linux for the X1000 no less than he does for the X5000.

    > SAM460 driver for internal SATAs DMA was never done, and not intended to.

    This would have to be taken up with ACube or Hyperion, not A-Eon.

    > we were told cards are temporary meassure until OS 4.2 arrives

    They still are, I guess ;-) It would have been better to sell the system with a GbE card, but 100MbE should be enough for most uses, given the overall bad state of TCP/IP in Amiga-like operating systems.
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    Intuition
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    Quote:

    ASiegel wrote:
    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    TW was *never* that usable if you're honest about it, right?

    Even if it had been perfect in every way when it was first released, i.e. faster than Odyssey and rock stable on all hardware platforms, you would still be talking about a web browser that was first released in 2010, so 8 years ago, and which has not received any major engine updates since.

    If anybody is curious about what it feels like to browse today's web with a web browser as old as this, feel free to download Odyssey v1.11, which is about as old.

    Before the arrival of the newly released Odyssey v1.25, how many discussions have there been on MorphZone about Odyssey becoming too outdated and lacking compatibility? Well, those versions were released several years after 2010...


    And if anybody would like to know what a fully uptodate version of a Firefox derivative with truly impressive technical features such as a Javascript JIT compiler would be like on MorphOS or similar platforms, just run TenFourFox on MacOS PPC. The performance difference between this and Webkit-based browsers is quite striking (YouTube, etc). Tragically, not in a good way.

    While its performance is fine on fast modern systems, Firefox is simply not designed (anymore) to run well on 'low-end' hardware whereas Webkit is deployed on many millions of inexpensive entry-level smartphones, for instance.


    Blink/V8 is deployed on many millions of entry level smartphones. WebKit is deployed on high end Apple phones. ;)
    1.67GHz 15" PowerBook G4, 1GB RAM, 128MB Radeon 9700M Pro, 64GB SSD, MorphOS 3.9

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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1041 from 2003/2/15
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    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:
    Blink/V8 is deployed on many millions of entry level smartphones. WebKit is deployed on high end Apple phones. ;)


    1. Actually, you can buy brand new entry-level Apple phones for as low as 40 USD:
    http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/06/iphone-3gs-sale-south-korea.html ( :-) )

    2. Smartphones were not invented after Google created a Webkit fork. In 2013 alone, 750 million units of Android smartphones were sold. Most still with the original Webkit as a Blink-enabled WebView was only introduced in September of that year.

    Having said that, the fact that Blink still uses the "-webkit-" vendor prefix in 2018 should tell you something about how closely related Webkit and Blink continue to be.
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  • vox
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    vox
    Posts: 385 from 2003/11/25
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Uboot and Linux updates do come more frequent to X5000

    Indeed, I can't remember any U-Boot update for the X1000 ;-) Seriously, it's my impression that xeno74 seems to update Linux for the X1000 no less than he does for the X5000.

    There was only beta tester revision and then "final" CFE

    It seems to be easy to fix kernels. WHat I wonder is since GCC support PA Semi why knowledge of X1000 (and x5000) and patches were never upstreamed and became included in official distros and net distros - which would make life easy instead of DD hell and similar.

    Second, GNOME and much stuff cannot be used on SI cards, as well, unlike IBM POWER 9, chosen arch seems not to have support over Ubuntu 16?

    Even Linux situation is a bit dire when compared to e.g. ARM.

    > SAM460 driver for internal SATAs DMA was never done, and not intended to.

    This would have to be taken up with ACube or Hyperion, not A-Eon.

    In the blame circle area, I dont care anymore. They shift blame. End result is the same.

    > we were told cards are temporary meassure until OS 4.2 arrives

    They still are, I guess ;-) It would have been better to sell the system with a GbE card, but 100MbE should be enough for most uses, given the overall bad state of TCP/IP in Amiga-like operating systems.


    Now I can only wait for MorphOS to come one day as saviour :-)

    On TW: It was quite usable, playing You Tube and rendering pages faster and having higher HTML5 scores then Odyssey of those days. Too bad they snitched the money from community and left it in limbo and strange source code mess.
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  • »19.07.18 - 00:38
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    Spectre660
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    @Vox

    You would be better of with a X5000 if you want to run MorphOs and Linux as well .
    MorphOS 3.11 looks very fast on pcie equipped machines.


    [ Edited by Spectre660 19.07.2018 - 08:35 ]
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  • vox
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    vox
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    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:
    @Vox

    You would be better of with a X5000 if you want to run MorphOs and Linux as well .
    MorphOS 3.11 looks very fast on pcie equipped machines.



    Yes, but I dont want to buy new expensive board just because of MOS. I opted
    for buying cheap PowerBook G4 1Ghz Radeon 9200 1GB RAM. So next month, MOS impressions! (is there a light PPC Linux distro for PowerMac?)

    Would love to use full x1000 potential with MOS, but that is quite unlikely to happen. Ever.

    [ Edited by vox 10.08.2018 - 21:40 ]
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  • »10.08.18 - 18:55
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    The state of current ppc Linux installers for Powermacs is not too good . Yaboot issues .
    Thread
    Thread continued

    [ Edited by Spectre660 10.08.2018 - 17:02 ]
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  • vox
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    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:
    The state of current ppc Linux installers for Powermacs is not too good . Yaboot issues .
    Thread
    Thread continued


    Is there any workaround or last version of Deb/Ubuntu that does not use Yaboot? Interesting, if Linux PPC distros dont support PowerMacs,who will they support? :-)

    Also, is it possible to setup TRIBLE BOOT MacOS X / Linux / MOS 3.11+ and what kind of loader (LILO like best) needs to be used? I have seen guides to setup MacOS X and MOS, such as https://library.morph.zone/Dual-boot_MorphOS_and_MacOS_X_on_a_Mac_Mini_G4#Installing_MorphOS_after_OSX but no triple boot ones

    [ Edited by vox 11.08.2018 - 12:44 ]
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  • »11.08.18 - 11:42
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