Xorg on G5
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Intuition
    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
    From: Nederland
    I'm planning on installing Linux on my G5, last time I tried it (year or two ago) xorg had weird graphics corruption no matter what video card I used (9650, PC X1950 and a Mac X800XT iirc).

    Anyone know if this is no longer an issue? Or a workaround if it is?
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    vox
    Posts: 524 from 2003/11/24
    From: Belgrade
    Luigi "gigi" Burdo is your man.

    Here is 2017 discussion https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2221421.html

    At Google+ https://plus.google.com/+LuigiBurdo
    YT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkb4bw4N19d-x_tn2FXLojQ

    He is even virtualizing SAM460 and X5000 under qEMu
    https://www.generationamiga.com/2017/09/03/qemu-x5000-motherboard-emulation-released-for-power-mac-g5/
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Intuition
    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
    From: Nederland
    Thanks, I'll have a play.
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 524 from 2003/11/24
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Luigi "gigi" Burdo is [...] virtualizing [...] X5000 under qEMu
    > https://www.generationamiga.com/2017/09/03/qemu-x5000-motherboard-emulation-released-for-power-mac-g5/

    I don‘t think he really managed to do this.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=12137&start=66


    Yes, user https://morph.zone/users/5212.html is defenetely Gigi here.

    Maybe its an overstatement, tried to.

    However, is advanced PPC Linux user for sure.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 545 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    @Intuition:
    I do run Linux on the G5. The situation with Xorg-/drm-/Mesa-bugs got a little better over the last 2 years. My G5 (+ Radeon 9800 Mac Edition) is able to run now X with correct colors and a 2D-accelerated desktop. Firefox works fine too.

    However you need a recent toolchain (gcc 7) and software stack for this. No problem on Gentoo which I run, but it is more or less a problem on other distros.

    Ubuntu PPC got ditched, 16.04 LTS is the last supported version. Debian PPC ports may be recent enough. There is also openSUSE Tumbleweed for ppc64 (klick). Last time I tried, the iso successfully booted on my G5.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Intuition
    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
    From: Nederland
    Quote:

    ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
    @Intuition:
    I do run Linux on the G5. The situation with Xorg-/drm-/Mesa-bugs got a little better over the last 2 years. My G5 (+ Radeon 9800 Mac Edition) is able to run now X with correct colors and a 2D-accelerated desktop. Firefox works fine too.

    However you need a recent toolchain (gcc 7) and software stack for this. No problem on Gentoo which I run, but it is more or less a problem on other distros.

    Ubuntu PPC got ditched, 16.04 LTS is the last supported version. Debian PPC ports may be recent enough. There is also openSUSE Tumbleweed for ppc64 (klick). Last time I tried, the iso successfully booted on my G5.


    Thanks Ernst. I'll have a look at SuSE. I used 5.2 up to 10 but switched to Debian and Ubuntu.

    I have a vague memory of trying the ppc64 Tumbleweed iso a while back and it not booting though.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 545 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    Just learned there is also a relatively new Linux Distribution targetting ppc/ppc64 as tier1 supported platforms (G3, G4, G5, Talos II): Adelie Linux

    This one may be especially interesting as they do testing on Apple PPC hardware (though X1000 also reported working). And their packages depend on musl instead of glibc C standard library, so the packages consume less resources which should make the distro run faster on low end PPC hardware.

    Have to try that out by myself!
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1369 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    Based on the ISO size, it seems to be rather limited in terms included packages / functionality.

    In general, it is nice that there is any interest in POWER / PowerPC these days but, for end users, if a new distribution does not include a reasonably modern web browser, then it is of limited or even no use.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12058 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > for end users, if a new distribution does not include a reasonably
    > modern web browser, then it is of limited or even no use.

    Adélie Linux 1.0-ALPHA6 (04/2018) seems to include Otter Browser 0.9.96 (03/2018), which uses QtWebEngine/QtWebKit.
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1369 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Adélie Linux 1.0-ALPHA6 (04/2018) seems to include Otter Browser 0.9.96 (03/2018), which uses QtWebEngine/QtWebKit.

    It would be interesting to know which version of Webkit is being used on PowerPC specifically (as a base for QtWebkit).
  • »05.05.18 - 17:29
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1369 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    Based on ernsteiswuerfel's comments on the Otter Browser's bug tracker, it sounds like there are massive endianess issues when Javascript is enabled on PowerPC:

    https://github.com/OtterBrowser/otter-browser/issues/1435

    Put differently, the browser engine may be modern but it appears to also be fairly broken.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
    From: Nederland
    Quote:

    ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
    Just learned there is also a relatively new Linux Distribution targetting ppc/ppc64 as tier1 supported platforms (G3, G4, G5, Talos II): Adelie Linux

    This one may be especially interesting as they do testing on Apple PPC hardware (though X1000 also reported working). And their packages depend on musl instead of glibc C standard library, so the packages consume less resources which should make the distro run faster on low end PPC hardware.

    Have to try that out by myself!


    Thanks for the info Ernst, I'll definitely have a play with it.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
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    Void Linux has been ported to PPC

    https://forum.voidlinux.org/t/porting-void-to-powerpc/6228
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    asrael22
    Posts: 404 from 2014/6/11
    From: Germany
    I've tried the openSUSE Tumbleweed.
    And it booted, but at some stage the screen went blank and... nothing.
    Tried several times so see where it hangs. Seems like when loading X. But I gave up. Sadly, but no priority for me.


    Manfred
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1217 from 2003/6/17
    I'm going to try Debian 9.5. It would be awesome if it worked.

    EDIT: Hmm...dont think there is an installer for 9.5...

    [ Edited by TheMagicM 31.07.2018 - 21:37 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
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    Quote:

    TheMagicM wrote:
    I'm going to try Debian 9.5. It would be awesome if it worked.

    EDIT: Hmm...dont think there is an installer for 9.5...


    They don't support ppc anymore.

    NetBSD do though.


    https://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/macppc/
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1217 from 2003/6/17
    Fienix looks pretty good. Based on Debian which I run on my x64 Thinkpad.
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1369 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    As usually with these type of distributions, the question is whether it features a recent browser with properly working Javascript.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 545 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    Seems a realistic target for a modern browser running on PPC Linux (BE and LE) will be Firefox 65. People around the Talos II put quite some effort in it: klick

    Chromium is also in the works but not that advanced in porting efforts, and it seems to involve a lot more work.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1217 from 2003/6/17
    Quote:

    ASiegel wrote:
    As usually with these type of distributions, the question is whether it features a recent browser with properly working Javascript.


    I just want a Linux distro that is somewhat up-to-date. If a browser isnt as up-to-date along with js, I'm ok with that.

    Its tough finding a distro for my G5 that works and is modern.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 545 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    Quote:

    TheMagicM schrieb:
    Its tough finding a distro for my G5 that works and is modern.

    As already suggested in this thread there are some. I run Gentoo and Adelie Linux on my G5 which both run out of the box and got a modern software stack. Adelie is faster and uses less resources 'cause of being built against musl (instead of glibc).
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  • Caterpillar
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    xilinder
    Posts: 39 from 2018/2/1
    From: USA
    Quote:

    TheMagicM wrote:
    I just want a Linux distro that is somewhat up-to-date. If a browser isnt as up-to-date along with js, I'm ok with that.

    Its tough finding a distro for my G5 that works and is modern.


    Have you tried CentOS 7? https://wiki.centos.org/Download

    I have their power9 offering working on my Talos2 with both KDE and Gnome. So far,, so good. :)
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