As you can see here http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67320 Dopus 5.90 is out (actually a fixed 5.82)

There is a MOS debug, but not stable release
http://dopus5.org/downloads/nightly/Dopus5_91_dev_mos_debug.lha

But statement says a help of an MorphOS developer to fix remaining bugs is needed

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Knowing the love we all have for Dopus and its usability, anyone to help?

@vox

"Knowing the love we all have for Dopus and its usability, anyone to help?"

Not everyone sees any sense in having a MorphOS native version of DOpus5 Magellan, me included.

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Respect every opinion, but would like to hear reason / emotion? behind it.

Surely, same was back in 90s as it is WB (in this case Ambient) replacement.

But its configurability does make it "king of file browsers".

I have never personally like it as full WB replacement, but as really big evolution of previous Dopus 4.x in terms of what it can do.

It could come handy as an option in e.g. Chrysalis pack once debugged.

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Must admit, whilst it's not a 'must have' I would be interested in using it as a split-pane file browser.
For pretty much everything else, Ambient already provides.

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People has been using Dopus on MorphOS pretty much since day one, so nothing new. Back when Ambient was young and underdeveloped, it was quite common to use Dopus on MorphOS as a workbench replacement (or even to use Amiga OS 3.1 Workbench for that matter). But as Ambient matured, I suppose the need for it has declined over the years, and not very many use it today? At least it seems that way to me.

I'm not against Dopus in any way, I liked it very much back in the days, but from my personal POV it's kind of a low priority thing, and I would rather see efforts spent elsewhere (didn't Itix work on a MorphOS port of this for a while, but decided to focus elsewhere after a while?).

BTW, what features from Dopus Magellan are you missing in Ambient? Wouldn't it be better to add those to Ambient instead (whatever that may be)?

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Although DOpus still does certain jobs so well... I recently had to rename about 250 messy named files and properly working inline editing in DOpus saved me :) I would still be renaming them with other ways ;)

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Understandable, but is it really that much commitment it will distract real OS or app development? Version to be tested is already there.

What is different now (from my POV) is NATIVE version and opportunity to develop it further, as kas1e and few other nice souls are already doing - kind of *new life* of an classic app. I believe it will be larger effort to level Wanderer / Workbench 4 / Ambient to it. Or it might just be an emotional attachment to cute Dopus Magellan windows look and feats panel

Well, my "emotion" to this is that DOpus is an Amiga application, whereas Ambient is a MorphOS application.

Ambient has cloned most of the really-nice-to-have features of DOpus 5 Magellan, with some minor exceptions (e.g. FTP support).

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After years of development Ambient now mimics several features of Directory Opus, but (besides FTP support which is a very useful commodity) the most important one is the virtual connection of two listers as source and destination. This feature is still lacking in Ambient (and it seems the programmers have no interest in its implementation), but it is an absolute "must" when the user has to do a large number of file transfers in both directions, or among multiple sources and destinations. When you have hundreds or thousands of files to copy back and forth, the source-destination pairs allow you to save lots of time.

And if you must do the same operations on a PC, too, Directory Opus is still a "must" (actually Directory Opus for PC, now at version 11, is a tool that really makes Windows usable, and there is a large community that can't live without).

It is clear that the most common file operation for MorphOS users is not the management of huge file transfers. So I accept without problems that most MorphOS users are indifferent about the realization of a native version of Directory Opus.

Anyway, my needs were and are different. In 2005-2006 I already created in Directory Opus all the filetypes that were inserted in Ambient in the last few years. I also created a number of ARexx utilities to work around the most offending bugs/limitations of Directory Opus 5.82. So, if a MorphOS-native and debugged version of Directory Opus 5.90 will be eventually created, I will be very happy, otherwise I will stay with 5.82 and my patches. For me it's sure that the following is true: no source-destination pairs ==> no Ambient...

[ Edited by DoctorMorbius_FP 13.05.2014 - 01:39 ]

I pretty much wanted to write the same DoctorMorbius_FP did.

I am still preferring Dopus over Ambient because it is
configured and enhanced with scripts starting when I
still used my Amiga 1200 every day.

I am using the last official version in addition to Ambient.
The only thing I really miss is 64 bit drive and file support.
So I am would love to see a working Morphos 5.90 version.

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Which is hinted to be coming in MorphOS 3.6...

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=9647&post_id=106571&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&showonepost=1

@All_who_want_new_dopus

Morphos version in general already works, you may try it there:
http://dopus5.org/downloads/nightly/Dopus5_91_dev_mos_debug.lha

Through it have some bugs (happens only on mos version sadly) because of which we can't release it as stable. Its just about 4-5 issues, but heavy ones. Probably, in some future we will fix them ourselvs, but that to be seen and no hope for of course. Even current version may-be used , but mos bugs here exactly with filetype and ftp modules, so that quite suck to release with such bugs of course.

64bit support already added by BSZili and for morphos too . As well as we fix titlebar bugs, ugly gadgets and other cosmetic (only png icons support left and >107 chars filenames). So can be tested (taking in account bugs with filetype and ftp modules). Testers are welcome anyway, the more bugs in morphos version found, the better list in bugzilla will be and we can check it all later.

Also new 68k version can be used on morphos:
http://dopus5.org/downloads/nightly/Dopus5_91_dev_os3_debug.lha

Through in 68k vesion there will be no cosmetic fixes, but at least other fixes are, and i for myself didn't test it deep on morphos.

[ Edited by kas1e 13.05.2014 - 11:57 ]

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Thanks for the summary kas1e.
Is there a particular e-mail address / bugtracker site for bugreporting?


Rich

@boot_wb
Yep, sure:

There you will see all reported bugs/feature requests (opens/closed, etc) all grouped by milestones, so you can see what will be next, etc: https://sourceforge.net/p/dopus5allamigas/_list/tickets?source=navbar

The known morphos-specific bugs/feature request (in case you will want to report something , to avoid double-report):

bugs:
https://sourceforge.net/p/dopus5allamigas/bugs/1/
https://sourceforge.net/p/dopus5allamigas/bugs/2/
https://sourceforge.net/p/dopus5allamigas/bugs/11/
https://sourceforge.net/p/dopus5allamigas/bugs/34/

feature requests:
https://sourceforge.net/p/dopus5allamigas/featurerequests/18/
https://sourceforge.net/p/dopus5allamigas/featurerequests/19/

Any new help (tests, developers, bug-reports) are very welcome, as even when there is no bugs on one platform, they still in code and will happens soon or later on other ones as well.

I'm not a DOpus fan... I wouldnt need it. Why add a file handler on top of MorphOS that already does a good job? meh. pass.


In the "old days" of Amiga.. I used DiskMaster II and preferred it over Dopus.. DOpus looked cluttered and shitloads of color everywhere I didnt care for.

[ Edited by TheMagicM 13.05.2014 - 17:14 ]

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Thanks, I'll try to keep track of any issues I come across and report them.

@jPV

Integrated batch renaming, or just inline editing? It's been years since I even played around with DOpus, and I barely even scratched the surface back then.

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Teh rael men used CLI-mate

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Why to use Firefox, when there's already Internet Explorer? Or Opera when there's Safari? Let people have choice if they want.

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Main point in DOpus has always been its configurability, but sadly there has to be some kind of default config. Default looks shouldn't be the most important criteria in a filemanager I think.


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Well, in this case I used both, but with batch renaming I only got it started with this mess. I had to do main work with inline editing, which makes the whole lister like one text editor.

If you go down a line, cursor stays on same position where it was on previous line, just like on text editor. I use that feature a lot, so handy it is. You can even edit dates, protection bits and comments with it (you can jump between columns with tab, no need to touch mouse at all before all files have been edited like you want).

Anyway Ambient also has batch renaming, but its mimic for inline edit is currently much more restricted.


[ Edited by jPV 14.05.2014 - 11:32 ]

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More good choices the merrier. If file handling of OSs was so great, file managers would not exist at all. And often they are kind of *essential*.

Dopus might be too *colorful* but again that can also be configured

I have also liked small size and speed as well as Spartan look of Disk Master, but configuration options of Dopus has won in the end. Magellan to be exact, and newer PC Dopus somehow fails to duplicate the feeling.

Thanks kas1e and contributors

@All,

Is-it possible to install directely the contain of the archive present in this link ? Without having installed a version 5.8x beforehand ?

Brumiga

> Is-it possible to install directely the contain of the archive present
> in this link ? Without having installed a version 5.8x beforehand ?

Yes, a clean installation is even recommended.

Could this ported version be used to add functions to Ambient? The source code is open source, and so is Ambient right? Wouldn't it make sense to add the missing functions (that makes sense) into Ambient?

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Ambient & DOpus5.9 may be Open Source, but MorphOS certainly is NOT, so any changes you want to see in the version of Ambient used in MorphOS will need to be requested from and created by the MorphOS Dev. Team.

I doubt very much that anyone outside the MorphOS Dev. Team could makes changes to how MorphOS Ambient looks or works, but I could be wrong (I have been proved wrong many times before).

@WB_Coder

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Does it? I thought that was the point of open source.

Though my point was rather that since both Ambient and Dopus is open source, there shouldn't be any legal reasons against using code from the latter to benefit the former (except maybe if they don't use the same GPL).