"Wine" thingy on MorphOS?
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    TomKeric
    Posts: 146 from 2013/2/18
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    I am new to MorphOS. On Ubuntu (zorinOS) there is a nice feature called "Wine" enabling me to invisibly run an emulator when launching some programs not supported by Ubuntu.

    This way I can run some of my "must have's" like Spotify & SnagIT.

    Is there anything like this in MorphOS or any projects/bounties I can support to make this happen? How much work would it be to create a winelike tool for MorphOS. (I am not a developer but a serious user)

    What attracts me with MorphOS is the speed of operation, the nice design, the Amiga roots and my hopes they will make this OS trail the future for the coming ARM cortex A57 supported devices. In a few years.

    A light but yet real OS like MorphOS would fit hardware like that. But I suppose is is a major development challange. Yet if it is right then it can be truly worth it.

    Comments are appreciated
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    pampers
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    "Wine is not an emulator" so not possible on non x86 hardware.
    MorphOS 3.x
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    TomKeric
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    Whatever iwine is it works fine on X86 computer running Ubuntu (ZorinOS) I can install and attach spotify to wine, even if there is no Spotify for Ubuntu, it launches sptotify and runs it just as (appears as) it was a native program for Ubuntu.

    Installing Spotify directly on Ubuntu is not possible
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    TomKeric
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    Saw now you wrote non X86.

    Anyway is there any possible solution or is it impossible due to nonX86 architecture?
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    zukow
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    you can use rdesktop to login on remote windows / linux machines. This way i have only one monitor and PowerMac with morphos connected to it.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    TomKeric
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    Thats an interesting angle worth trying. But o'course it keeps you running several computors. But I will certainly test it.

    Spotify and SnagIT would be my most wished application to be able to run on MOS. As I have them going every day all day on my office PC.
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  • MorphOS Developer
    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
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    There was Wine ported to OSX/PPC but it only allowed to run recompiled software (i.e. very few).
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
    Posts: 602 from 2010/10/27
    WINE on MorphOS would be freaking awesome, though I know it is impossible.

    I can't tell you how nice it would be to have all my DOOM editing tools as well as Video Editing tools running nicely within MorphOS, but alas I'll never see the day and I sure as hell ain't using Linux.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    SoundSquare
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    i don't get the point, you guys don't want to run a PC but you want to use windows software ?
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    caver99
    Posts: 131 from 2012/6/14
    To me it sounds like having a 'wine like layer' to run the amiga hardware hitting apps would be more like the linux 'wine' running windows apps.
    I.E. start a whdload game and the emulatore sits in the background for that one game then when quit it closes down back to ambient, having the AGA chip set emulated in the OS.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    > start a whdload game and the emulatore sits in the background for that
    > one game then when quit it closes down back to ambient, having the AGA
    > chip set emulated in the OS.

    Especially with games it makes no perceptible difference whether the emulation (of both CPU and chipset) is done directly on host OS level or in a box like UAE as it is now. With application programs, which usually interact with the OS to a larger extent than games, it would make a difference, though.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    TomKeric
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    I think it is fully possible to love MorphOS and at the same time love applications existing for Windows/OSX.

    Spotify and SnagIT is fantastic applications. Bringing that to MorphOS would make a nice fit. Sorry to hear it appears impossible.

    Spotify is the only music player I use this days...
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
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    SoundSquare: No, not really. I just want to run DOOM Builder 2 and Slade, but seeing as they can not be ported to MorphOS, Wine would do nicely yes, but again, it's impossible sadly.

    http://www.doombuilder.com/

    http://svn.drdteam.org/slade/
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    BSzili
    Posts: 559 from 2012/6/8
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    Why would it be impossible? If someone rewrites the GUI, or ports the toolkit and Mono, then they can be ported.

    [ Edited by BSzili 14.03.2013 - 08:42 ]
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    What would be more realistic to dream about could be Wine equivalent for OSX/PPC programs... Like Wine is for Windows programs under Linux on x86, it would be for OSX programs under MorphOS on PPC... called for example OSXe :) But I guess it's still far from being realistic... would need quite much developer time and OSX/PPC programs are getting more rare and obsoleted all the time.
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  • Cocoon
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    eastone
    Posts: 44 from 2007/8/4
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    What about this: http://www.kju-app.org/
    I remember was slow on OSX but MorphOS is so light os ;)
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22
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    > What about this: http://www.kju-app.org/

    This is QEMU, which is a CPU emulator. In order to transparently run Win32/x86 executables on MorphOS/PPC we'd need a combination of a CPU emulator like QEMU and an API wrapper like WINE (only tailored for MorphOS API instead of Unix API as target).

    Btw, something like this (WINE + QEMU) was once in the plans for OSX/PPC:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwine
    http://darwine.sourceforge.net

    ...and it's apparently already working on Linux/ARM(64):
    http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM
    http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM64

    > I remember was slow on OSX but MorphOS is so light os ;)

    CPU emulation under MorphOS isn't any faster than under any other OS on the same hardware. So for full system virtualization (including CPU emulation) the host OS shouldn't make a difference regarding speed, as opposed to transparently running executables through an API wrapper.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
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    BSzili:

    The other side to this is I'm not sure there are too many out there that want advanced DOOM Editing under MorphOS bad enough to take up such a challenging task.

    I know you take interest in these things, but you are one man and I know your programming plate is already quite full. ;)

    [ Edited by XDelusion 14.03.2013 - 18:58 ]
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  • Caterpillar
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    It wouldn't be impossible, but it would be a hell of a lot of work.

    No, the screenshot doesn't mean I'm going to finish it ;-)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XDelusion
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    Heh! :)

    Sounds like I need to get rich so I can afford a bounty for my personal ambitions. :)
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