http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmydA94bGJs

There's been a lot of talk about how overlay is obsolete on other websites. I just have to shake my head. I can play 720p videos with about average 40% CPU load on my MorphOS 3.0 system. I'm glad Fab and the MorphOS team are firmly grounded in reality. I like actually using my computers.

Your video says that it is being played on a Quicksilver PowerMac, but you don't list the specifications of your Quicksilver in the description provided with the video.

That might be helpful for comparison purposes, for anyone viewing the video that has not seen your Quicksilver specs from any forum post here. Also, your signature here does not state which video card you are using, which I am sure makes a difference in your ability to play 720p videos on MorphOS3.0.

Has anyone been successful in running 720p videos on their 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's under MorphOS3.0? Probably not, since the 3D driver is not finished for the Radeon 9700 Mobility video card.

Lastly, you could have chosen a different video to play that was more appropriate for mixed audiences. I don't want my Grandson Amiga user to be watching that video clip that is playing.

[ Edited by amigadave 28.06.2012 - 19:27 ]

> which video card you are using, which I am sure makes a difference
> in your ability to play 720p videos on MorphOS3.0.

I don't think it would make for a significant difference between Radeons 7x00, 8500 and 9xx0 in terms of 720p video replay via overlay (i.e. scaling plus YUV-to-RGB conversion).

> Has anyone been successful in running 720p videos on their 1.67GHz G4
> PowerBook's under MorphOS3.0? Probably not, since the 3D driver is
> not finished for the Radeon 9700 Mobility video card.

3D has nothing to do with the way MorphOS has been doing overlay, which is a strict 2D thing. You're probably confused by the recent discussions about methods like textured video (as replacement for overlay method, since more recent GPUs don't implement traditional overlay capability anymore), which indeed need programming of the 3D part of the GPU.
So yes, I'm sure that people have "been successful in running 720p videos on their 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's under MorphOS3.0", provided the R300 2D driver in MorphOS 3.0 can use the R300 GPU's overlay capability, which I strongly believe it does.

@AmigaDave

This one plays fine on my Powerbook (5,6) in 720p (full-screen mode).
Fab's Youtube scripts are applied, and I have swfdec1,2 plugin installed. Loopfilter is set to 'skip all' (equivalent of skiploopfilter=all on mplayer).

Cpu is 90%+. No idea what codec/container is used though.

I'm sure Fab/Bigfoot could clarify, but I don't think 3D drivers would make any difference whatsoever to playing video using the obsolete overlay method. It's not like MorphOS is trying to paint textures onto 3D primitives or anything (which would require full-ish texturing and 3D support).

The KISS principle wins again

@Red
Would love to know your settings to achieve only 40% cpu load - even with a 2GHz processor that seems low.

> 40% cpu load - even with a 2GHz processor that seems low.

Indeed it does. But even stranger things have been claimed to happen:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=9&topic_id=7524&start=6
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=9&topic_id=7524&start=25

;-)

amigadave,
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I'll take that into consideration. I didn't figure there would be a MorphOS user under 13.

boot_wb,
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Default settings on a fresh MorphOS / Ultimate Pack install, no tweaks. Watch the video again and look at the CPU meter in the title bar. Most of the clip is in the 37% to 43% range. I know the video is not terribly clear, but you can see the CPU meter in about the middle of the title bar.

In related news, I tried a 1080p movie for s***s and giggles. The CPU runs near 100% but it would be watchable. I need to benchmark it sometime to see how close we are.

[ Edited by redrumloa 29.06.2012 - 07:34 ]

> I didn't figure there would be a MorphOS user under 13.

Isn't current non-MorphOS users (i.e. potential future MorphOS users) the real target group of your video? I mean, current MorphOS users know what their OS of choice is capable of. It's the rest of the world that needs to be convinced by videos like yours ;-)

Andreas_Wolf,
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Yeah, I guess that would be fair to say. Do we have potential MorphOS users out there under 13? If I do another video, I will use something kiddie.

> Do we have potential MorphOS users out there under 13?

Amigadave's grandson he just mentioned the minute before could qualify, I guess :-)

Ok ok .. im curious, let me in.. whats so bad for 13 year old in that movieclip. I could watch it with my godson any day. Both of us would probably like it too.

hooligan,
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I'd have no problem with my 12 year old son watching. In the US we have a rating called PG-13 which means Parental Guidance for those under 13. I mentioned 13 because I figured the clip couldn't be worse than PG-13.

[ Edited by redrumloa 29.06.2012 - 08:59 ]

Maybe I missed it?? Where was the offending part on red's video??

Either way, interesting to know it only eats 40% of the CPU load. I wonder if different codecs will use more CPU power. Like a DIVX 720P or a MP4 720P (Can't recall if MorphOS plays MP4).

I doubt this video uses the h264 codec, 40% cpu usage would really be a bit low for such a resolution.
Nonetheless, 720p with a not too high bitrate should play just fine in OWB (and a bit faster in MPlayer).

@amigadave

OWB as well as MPlayer use overlay, which is available on MorphOS for almost all supported gfx cards including Powerbook's radeon 9700). A textured video or opengl implementation would likely be significantly slower than overlay (setup and possible conversion or amount of data to be transferred).

No, overlay is not obsolete, it's the only way to play 720p (or even 1080p for less demanding codecs) content on our machines. ;)

@doffo

MPlayer will play about anything you throw at it (it supports 399 video codecs and 192 audio codecs to be exact)

hooligan,
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Language.


[ Edited by klesterjr 29.06.2012 - 13:10 ]

klesterjr,
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Just my $0.02 but people who are concerned shouldn't let their kids/grandkids anywhere near Youtube. I do think it was rather mild compared to most of what is on Youtube.

redrumloa,
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Yep.

BTW if anyone is interested, this clip is from a good Korean movie called The Man From Nowhere. Korea is putting out some of the best movies right now.

If you can handle violent/gory movies, check out a Korean movie called I Saw The Devil.

redrumloa,
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Yeah and its quite funny. Really intersting human behavoir. So predictable. Looks like the fanboys trying justify the lack of overlay on their boxes runnins os4.

I dare you, ask ANYONE, *ANYONE* having overlay.. ask them if they want to go back to non-overlay. Please. There just is no excuse.

redrumloa,
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My Grandson, who is a new Amiga user and may become a MorphOS users very shortly and might find his way to this site and this thread already, is only 9 years old. The language that is in that video, with it being spelled out for him on the screen in the subtitles, is above his current age level.

I did not mean for that part of my previous message to make such a controversy, but mentioned it as a suggestion, nothing more.

Edit: My mistake for confusing 3D support with Overlay support. I was not sure if Overlay support was included with the Radeon 9700 Mobility driver. Not hard to confuse me with all this stuff.

[ Edited by amigadave 30.06.2012 - 19:19 ]