I can tell you guys I run Image 4.5 studio on my peg2 with morphos 2.6..

@cecilia, or magnetic,

Did you need to do anything special to get IFX4.5 Studio to install correctly on a MorphOS2.x system? I have had problems installing it on actual Classic Amigas as well as on WinUAE.

[ Edited by amigadave on 2011/3/5 16:54 ]

I got an error using MorphOS' installer. I'd have to post the error # later.

I will try this default prefs file, but can't use Snoopuim as I'll be stuck on a black screen once I launch Image FX 4.5

Quote:the install should do 99% of the installation correctly. to make sure you have the newest Text Hook,
go to ImageFX40_Disk4/Hooks1.lha hooks/sys/text on the CD

some people have problems with Modules/Savers/YUVSPLIT
delete them if so.

did you check that the CD itself is ok?

Oh and Yes I supposed I have the Studio version because it came on CD....

Quote:it's not the only version of IFX to come out on CD

it says very clearly on a black and white label
ImageFX 4.5 Studio

copyright 2004

Cecilia

I'm confused with your instructions in your last post can you please re-state them? thx

Quote:

using the IFX4.5 STUDIO CD run the install script normally.

There is actually at least two versions of the Text hook within the CD

The newest one is not installed by the normal install script.

and the newest Text hook has bug fixes so I think most people would want that.

The newest Text Hook is located on the CD here:

ImageFX40_Disk4/Hooks1.lha
open, extract Text.....
save it too:
ImageFX4/hooks/sys/text

some people have problems using the loader or saver for the YUVSPLIT format. the best solution is to simply delete those files.

Modules/Savers/YUVSPLIT
Modules/Loaders/YUVSPLIT

it's been reported in the past that some people have their IFX crash when booting up IFX. if it's YUVSPLIT, just get rid of it.

if your IFX doesn'r crash when starting up, well, leave it.

[ Edited by cecilia on 2011/3/6 21:14 ]

First off, I do have the 4.5 Studio CD. As you said it was written on the disc and I was looking at the box. So mystery solved.

As for getting this tot run...

...well replaced my prefs file with the one upload here and I ended up getting this message:

Can not open preview module. 'modules/preview/windowedCGX' - using Amiga

When I hit OK, I get taken back to the beautiful black screen I've come to love.

...and I suppose you don't have the mentioned module in your modules/preview? Try to copy it manually from the CD (or, in case it's not there try to use this one).

hmm Cecilia

wish I knew about that text hook bug 2 years ago when i was doing a lot of gfx. I would use image fx with show girls (show girls for txt support which is nice)

The CGX mode you are missing is required for next gen amigas as it runs on cybergfx screen hence the cgx which is the render module.

what i'm wondering is somehow my Powerstation PPC modules arent installed was it seperate of image fx 4.5 studio or what?

If I'm not mistaken there's a folder on the CD :
PPC/PowerStation_MorphOS/

that should have various modules, icons, stuff that is for MOS.

doesn't anyone fully examine stuff they buy anymore??



and whatever happened to the AV's?

As it turns out, there were two install directories once everything was done.

This whole time I was using the wrong ImageFX file to launch the app, which apparently was trying to use the Amiga chipset, thus causing my black screen.

Upon using the correct one. I get an instant system lock up...

...until I deleted all the YUV files as suggested, then I can load the program and move my mouse, but once I click the Left Mouse Button the system again totally locks up.

Quote:oy, what a mess.

my suggestion is delete both installed files - clean up.....THEN reinstall the program proper way.

BEFORE you try to start the program.........


NOW delete those YUV files.
Make sure you have the newest png loader/saver files and the newest text hook.

make sure you ONLY have one install. check and recheck. check the s/user-startup file that there is the correct Assign (which should have been written by the installer.) because IFX has been installed more than once you could easily have several incorrect assigns in there. In fact check that Before you start the new install.

Reboot your system.

NOW start up IFX.

Quote:

If an effort was made by the developers and distributors of IFX Studio 4.5 to make it run on MorphOS & PPC, why wasn't more effort on their part made to get it to install correctly and run without so much trouble?

I know some Amiga users like to "tinker" with their systems and software, but there is a difference between having the ability to adjust and mess around with your system and software, and having it install and run as it should without having to trouble shoot and fix mistakes made by the software developers & distributors. Specially if the mistakes and problems are not well documented in the software distribution with paper, or pdf (amigaguide, or ASCII text) files, provided with the CDROM, or floppy disks.

I know that running IFX4.5 on PPC, or MorphOS was not the primary intended target, but if the developers, or distributors went to the trouble of including the files needed to run on PPC, and/or MorphOS, then they should have spent the little extra time & effort to write a trouble free installer script, or at least documented the steps needed to fix the installation.

Bad installation scripts are a "pet peeve" of mine I guess, and too common in our small niche community.

Quote:MOS WAS the intended target as at the time that was THE ONLY new Amiga-like OS around. OS4 had not yet surfaced.

and it DOES install correctly. I tested it myself. As did other beta testers.

It correctly places libs and other system files in the NON-MOS folders (leaving the main system files to operate correctly while allowing IFX to play nicely).
Of course If the user installs 2 versions of IFX that will invariably confuse the system. And the developer has no control over user error.

Let me remind everyone that I am NOT the developer, I am one of the beta testers and have no monetary gain from this product. I DO, however, know the person who altered the install script and he's no slouch.

The install script installs the basic setup just fine. The user can decide if he or she wishes to install the PPC files.

and the YUV files that sometimes cause problems do so on other systems besides MOS.

I suspect the install script did not install the newest text hook because we beta testers were working on that right up to the last minute. Sorry, but we are only human. Is it really that hard to copy a file?

Let's not forget how small this community is. I'm one of the few people who can even answer these questions. And it's not like I'm sitting around doing nothing. I do the best I can.

I'm am more than happy to help people out as best I can. Honestly.

But I feel the need to set the record straight.

Thanks for the added clarification cecilia.

It would have been nice if the later resellers of IFX4.5 Studio had provided a download link to a revised install script which would use the later (finished?) text hook file, and had provided a written explanation such as you have just provided.

Your help and info is greatly appreciated and I understand that the original developers did the best they could at the time the IFX4.5 Studio CD was mastered.

Quote:Thank you very much.

If I had a magic wand I would have prevented real life and time interfering with people in the Amiga community from just getting Stuff Done Right. Unfortunately, I am not Superman.

Years after the Studio CD was finished and finally OS4 was available a friend had an AmigaOne for me to play around with. I knew people had trouble installing IFX Studio on their A-one's so I set out to see if I could shed light on this.

I realized that a new install script HAD to be re-written and not being a programmer I really wasn't qualified to do it. But I set out to at least identify the areas in the script that were problematic for OS4. I wrote an article which I gave to people who had trouble with their installs. eventually this came into the hands of people who could rewrite the install script and a new install script was place on OS4Depot.

All This took a long time because, frankly, everyone was just doing their work whenever they could. In fact without the very existence of the Internet it probably would never have occurred at all.

I tell this story to indicate how people are still attempting to correct issues long after a product has been out. That seems to be the way we have to to things in Amiga-Land.

And, of course, when possible, I and others answer questions on the IFX user group

I can tell you that IFX4.5 is the most bug free version of IFX available - esp on MOS. It seemed to me that many of the crashes on my original Amiga 2000 using the text hook was mostly lack of memory. Something that just isn't an issue even on the lowliest peg.

or using WinUAE / AmigaForever which I also did most of my beta testing on.

The point of my little story is that the ONLY way we can solve our problems is if we talk to each other. Anyone who knows me knows I have no "preferences". I am not in any "camp". I love all things Amiga-related. I don't play politics. I am a member here and have been for many years. I'm a member on Amiga.org and Amigaworld. I avoid any and all threads related to fighting and the "I'm better than you, neener, neener" childish nonsense.

When I find a topic I think I may be able to help with, I speak up. I suspect that if most people did that we would all be better off and possibly farther ahead. Just a guess, tho.


but most importantly, I hope the original poster has solved his problem and has a functioning IFX program.

Still don't have this working....

I am not on a fresh install of MorphOS, I followed the advise here on this thread, and the results are always exactly the same as when I began!

I am going to try out the new installer using the OS4 emu tonight and see if that makes a difference....


BTW, what all options should I be choosing in the install? Should I install all the extra Hooks and MorphOS specific stuff or should I just do the standard install? I've tried many things, each to no avail. Will post back later after I try the new OS 4 installer tonight.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59456

Hey guys

Well last I knew ifx 4.5 studio str8t installs. The reason Morphos compatiblity was stressed by Nova Design was that Kermit Woodall was working for Genesi at the time! (and so was Cecilia lol - she loved BBRV then )
Also the Power Station PPC modules work great with morphos super duper fast.

ASL is a problem I remember dealing with that to get ifx working as well as the text hook manual replacement.

No go, this installer worked...

Well at the end it complained about two lobs not being in the OS4emu directory, but other than that it worked, bit alas, I am still getting the same results as if I'd installed this the usual way, replaced the text hook, then deleted the trouble file.

Maybe it's just not eMac friendly?

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As you can see, after I went through the basic install I replaced TEXT and looked for :

Modules/Savers/YUVSPLIT
Modules/Loaders/YUVSPLIT

All I found was YUVN so I deleted that instead.


I later installed Power station, again replaced TEXT and again looked for any other files that began with Y and there were none but YUVN again so I'm stumped.

Here is my User_startup before Power Station has been installed, as well as a Snoopium Log.

Note that the Log reports the same errors even after Power Station has been installed.

http://starwarslegacy.net/Documents/LogNStart.zip

[ Edited by XDelusion 01.12.2011 - 00:07 ]

oy vey!

I notice on your Snoopium.log there's a number of Failures with libs.
mathieeedoubtrans.library.elf - does this failure only happen with trying to open IFX or with other programs.

I'm no expert on reading Snoop files so I hope others will chime in with advice

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as your snoop file indicates a retina lib why not add the retina driver in the install??
unless I am totally missing something here. I mean I guess I am asking why there is an error with "retina.library.elf". Is there are program you have installed that uses this lib?



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does this mean the Text hook file was copies with a different name??? It should just be called "text"


Quote:right now this assign seems ok, although I haven't looked at one in a long time.....I'll have to turn on my peg and check out what mine looks like.

give me a few days.......things are a bit nutty around here.

when you tried your previous IFX installs did you check that no MOS libs or other files had been overwritten accidentally??
This is one of the reasons there are two separate folders for such files (stating the obvious, I know)

I always look at files in my DOpus to make sure I know what is going on. (I still love that program)

anyway, we will figure this out

I'm looking at my IFX on AmigaForever (to help someone else on a different problem).
I just looked inside the IFX icon. (tool types)
that is, I right clicked and opened the icon (information)

I have mine set to
WINDOWED

NOW, this will make IFX open on whatever screen you happen to have but one reason I like this is that it tends to reduce problems. Anyway, if you have it set to something else, comment it out with brackets () and type in WINDOWED.

see if that works

if not, you can also type in
DEBUG

and see what results. I haven't done this in a million years but I think the debug file gets saved to ram.

Waiting to see how this turns out, as I would love to see how IFX4.5 runs on my MorphOS computers. (Even though I am not knowledgeable in using IFX because I did most of my image manipulation with AdPro2.5 way back when .....)

So many people have praised IFX for several reasons, I want to learn more about it.

Thanks for trying to provide help with this cecilia.