It's so hard ford developers to write some plugins to make Voyager a powerful browser?
I can't belive that's not possible...we are the only platform without a real browser...

Honestly, I don't think that having some more plugins would make Voyager that much better browser...

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It's a tad more complex task than that to have an up to date browser. The layout engine of either Amiga browser for example is inadequate for CSS needs.

Fact is, Voyager has the best plugin system of the three main Amiga browsers, but sadly simple plugins are not enough to comply with today's standards.

So it's not so hard - it's much much harder.

[ Edited by warface on 2004/7/21 10:52 ]

Hi,

You are right that currently there is no browser for AMIGA
which supports CSS, JAVA, Flash 7 or xhtml.

But to be fair, Voyager, Ibrowse and Aweb are not too bad.
There are many webbrowsers for which are not better than ours.

And there are other Platform which have no up2date webbrowser as well.
Example: RiscOS.

I think our future looks not to bad:

a) The Ibrowse crew is looking into many of these issues for their next version.
b) Some people are working on a Mozilla port.
c) Some one is working on a port of KHTML which will us bring us a Safari like browser.
d) And Voyager has a roadmap with planned improvements as well.
e) The Aweb crew is working and improving their browser. Aweb 3.5beta came out recently.


Cheers
Gunnar

[ Edited by BigGun on 2004/7/21 12:51 ]

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RiscOS in my opinion is the OS of "no-one"....
Our Os,MorphOS and AmigaOS are one of the more used OS in the world (I think about Win,MacOs,Linux...then we are...) and it's not possible that when we surf a simple web page ....."javascript error...javascript error...javascript error...javascript error..."
And flash???the voyager plugins says "now flash is possible"...mmhhh...where?if everytime that I try to run a flash web page,Voyager crash...or don't run nothing???
With Voyager we are lucky becasue we own it as Mos component but...Ibrowse..do you know that it cost 65euro (about 65 $) ??
65euro for a crappy browser I think that is so much....

Hi Elektro,

>RiscOS in my opinion is the OS of "no-one"....
:) Other people might have a different point of view here.


>Our Os,MorphOS and AmigaOS are one of the more used OS in the world
>(I think about Win,MacOs,Linux...then we are...)

There are a few more operating systems: OS/2, DOS, Beos, QNX, SkyOS, BSD, AIX, SOLARIS, IRIX,
Athene, VMS, and many many more. Some of them have a Mozilla port the others
usually have browsers worse than ours.


>"javascript error..
Yes, many websites used JS commands which might not work in Voyager.
But sometimes you don't need JS to use the site
- Just turning the JS error messages off might help :)
Ibrowse and Aweb usually have a better JS support than Voyager.
Just try Aweb or Ibrowse on these sites.

>And flash???
This is not Voyager's fault but Macromedia's!
There are 7 different versions of flash.
Flash is not opensource so its hard to keep up with the changes.
Many platform have the exact same problems!
The are no up2date flash player for many platforms.
Even if you buy a professional Unix like Irix or AIX for >10,000$ you will have no up2date flash.

Voyager supports flash version 4 nicely.
There are other standalone flashplayers available as well.
Download links are somewhere on this site.


>65euro for a crappy browser
Actually Ibrowse costs 55Euro. If you don't need a package you can save 10 euro.
The Ibrowse demo is very good and free of charge.
I agree that 55 is still a lot of money.
But on the other hand developing a browser is a lot of work.

FYI AWeb is free of charge.



Cheers
Gunnar

P.S
Did you solve your miami problems?

Personally I think we should completely forget about Voyager, Ibrowse and AWeb if we want to seriously speaking of "browseing".
Only khtml or Mozilla ports could bring a serious browseing experience to our platform, all the others are damned old product that even if updated will never reach an usable state.

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It will be great to have Mozilla running on MorphOS but we shoudn't "forget " Voyager. At this tyime it still need lot of work but it is getting improved and slowly but surely will give us the same satisfaction as other wellknown browers. Let's wait what new function are release with Mos 1.5 ;)

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f) There is Paihia too...............




[ Edited by smithy on 2004/7/23 22:16 ]

> It will be great to have Mozilla running on MorphOS but we shoudn't "forget " Voyager. At this tyime it still need lot of work but it is getting improved and slowly but surely will give us the same satisfaction as other wellknown browers.

This will never happend. Come down to real world.

> Let's wait what new function are release with Mos 1.5 ;)

I'm not sleeping thinking to that..

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Yesssssss
Now I can surf with my great Peg2

Aweb has decided to rewrite thier engine starting with a KHTML base witch i think is a good start.

And there is the Galaxy-Browser Project.

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What's about this???

So many plans... but is there ANY BETA? Only one or two program lines? Please tell me some good news, because I'm starting to lose my faith...

>Aweb has decided to rewrite thier engine starting with a KHTML base witch i think is a good start.

Not good enough.. not near. It doesn't matter if it would match Mozilla on performace.. it's still freakin' ugly..

GK_LKA

I would say that Galaxy's browser is nearing an alpha stage. There is definately more than just two lines of code there. It will still be a while before it can see it's potential, but it is actively being developed.

Voyager is being developed, but slowly. Remember the Voyager developer is also the Ambient developer.

AWeb is being worked on, and there was a recent release of an updated 'AWeb lite'.

IBrowse is being worked on, but those guys like to stay behind closed doors. They haven't made any timelines publicly known.

There are at least TWO Mozilla/Firebird efforts. Since they are competing for the bounty (see the banner), the teams are saying very little about their progress. They've both been at it a while, and I think the public deserves a statement from the organizer about the progress of the teams.

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Yes, with the HTML MCC class, or not?

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To tell you the truth, I don't believe in Voyager. It's really not for me. It did not improved much in the past 2 years. (Some bugfixes only...)

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Any lines of ported KHTML?

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No news about them since a while... I'd be the most suprised if they came one day and say, that they finished and there's a working port of Mozilla...