3D Desktop
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
    From: Pinto, Madrid ...
    This is something I posted in the thread about animated backgrounds, but I believe could be a new topic.

    Actually, you can take advantage of the 3D abilities of every video card out there, and not just for eyecandy sake, which is something many people find disturbing.
    One of the most unpleasant things you must do in a windowing environment is clipping. That is, taking care of which parts of the screen need a redraw, when things move. Now, imagine that you use the graphics card's capabilities to map windows bitmaps as textures into polygons (usually, a pair of coupled triangles do as a rectangle). There you have it: You can really depth-arrange windows in real three dimensions, flashy "flight" effects included.
    There's more: Thanks to the graphics abilities to reescale bitmaps, bilinear filtering included, you can resize windows doing nothing compute-wise. Imagine the speed gain.
    This is what Microsoft is doing in their new "Longhorn", "Aero", whatever user interface: At last, use the graphics abilities every computer now has, and that are only catered for by video games.
    Now, let's wonder: David ("zapek" Gerber, ambient's programmer), can this concept work in MorphOS' desktop? Are Intuition's windows something abstract that can be rewritten, to make use of 3D hardware?

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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Zylesea
    Posts: 2057 from 2003/6/4
    Sun has something like that. Check it out:

    Sun's looking glass

    A nice thing but OTOH it invites you to get a messy desktop. 2d is just more handy. But as an option it is highly interesting.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
    From: Pinto, Madrid ...
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    Zylesea wrote:
    Sun has something like that. Check it out.
    A nice thing but OTOH it invites you to get a messy desktop. 2d is just more handy. But as an option it is highly interesting.


    I think you haven't realized that all those flashy effects need not be in an 3D-aware ambient. I was only talking about taking advantage of the 3D harware functions, that would free GDI programmers from "clipping" slavery, for example. It's true that, when thinking about it, many people can't help but imagine those "flying" desktops. But the most interesting thing is that it still is a desktop, only that windows are more free. See here for example: It's a perfectly ordinaryy desktop metaphor, only that windows are not flat against the screen. The "look and feel" of the computer would be almost the same as we are used to.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    warface
    Posts: 653 from 2003/2/24
    From: Hungary
    Unfortunately Voodoo has a 256 pixel texture limitation. Maybe on Radeons.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Zylesea
    Posts: 2057 from 2003/6/4
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    jcmarcos wrote:
    See here for example: It's a perfectly ordinaryy desktop metaphor, only that windows are not flat against the screen. The "look and feel" of the computer would be almost the same as we are used to.


    Well, that *is* looking glass you were pointing me to. As said I think it's highly interesting. Thing is, if you want to rotate windows, then you must have some kind of depth arrangement (if not ist just a dull other scaling thing which would be easier achieved by iconized window views) or the other side of the window. Looking glass demonstrates this impressingly. They even attach notes on the backside of a window, but this is where the mess will just start.
    If you are just able to turn a window then it does not take you very far. If you introduce 3D - do it really. Just like open glass.
    Currently CGX and intuition are not capable of such a thing (probs are starting much earlier: smart/simple refresh). It will need deeper changes which are unlikely for the ABox, maybe we will see such things in Q one day...
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    minator
    Posts: 370 from 2003/3/28
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    poundsmack
    Posts: 1346 from 2003/6/8
    From: USA California
    an interesting concept..but not nececary i dont think......though it would be cool :-D
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