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    Tomo
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    Thank you all for your answers. I think the best option for me is to go for a Mac. I like programs like Showgirls, Mplayer (works better than SMPlayer on Linux), Transfer, MLDonkey (don't get it working on my Linux) etc. They are simpel en not overloaded with options...
    And I need to read my SFS-partitions for a lot of data. (Is there a possibillity to read them on a linux-machien?)

    Again, thank you all, Tom
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  • Butterfly
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    Hi,

    is this a good Powermac:
    Power Mac G5
    Model: A1177 EMC No. 2023
    Assembled in Ireland

    Price 50 Euro

    https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/computers-en-software/desktops-apple/m1247591346-apple-power-mac-g5-13-stuks-op-voorraad.html?c=be2da871b0d84f75c3056cc6db858f31&previousPage=lr

    Regards, tom
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > is this a good Powermac:
    > Power Mac G5
    > Model: A1177 EMC No. 2023

    No, this is unsupported PowerMac11,2.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > is this a good Powermac:
    > Power Mac G5
    > Model: A1177 EMC No. 2023

    No, this is unsupported PowerMac11,2.


    But the guy seems to have the earlier PowerMac supported by MorphOS (the one without plastic Airport/Bluetooth antenna in the back - see the photo here). He's got 13 pieces, so probably at least one is MorphOS compatible.
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  • Butterfly
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    Tomo
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    Hi Koszer,

    I have to look for model A1047 PowerMac?
    That is the only supported type?

    regards, Tom
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    Tomo wrote:
    Hi Koszer,

    I have to look for model A1047 PowerMac?
    That is the only supported type?

    regards, Tom


    Precisely. The "cost reduced" and dual/quad core versions aren't supported. And if you're getting A1047 it would be nice if it had Radeon gfx card.
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  • Butterfly
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    Tomo
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    Hi Koszer,

    I bought the G5 and solved the first problem: De DVD-player was broken.
    I took out the NVidia A146 and replaced it with an ATI-card from my old Peg, but the screen stays grey.
    I tried another Video-card (I think it is a Voodoo, but I'm not sure, can't find a name on the card).
    Is there something else I forgot?
    If I start up in Apple-mode I can now find the DVD-player and can read the content of the Morphos-CD.

    regards Tom
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    > replaced it with an ATI-card from my old Peg, but the screen stays grey.

    PPC Macs need dedicated (or flashed) graphics cards with PPC-compatible ROM. With MorphOS and Linux this can be circumvented by using an AtomBIOS-based Radeon (R500+) card*.

    > I tried another Video-card (I think it is a Voodoo, but I'm not sure, can't find a name on the card).

    What happened?


    Edit: * While early AtomBIOS versions came already somewhen during R400 series, the MorphOS AtomBIOS parser seems to require the newer AtomBIOS versions that started with the R500 series.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 19.01.2021 - 00:57 ]
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    Quote:

    I bought the G5 and solved the first problem: De DVD-player was broken.
    I took out the NVidia A146 and replaced it with an ATI-card from my old Peg, but the screen stays grey.
    I tried another Video-card (I think it is a Voodoo, but I'm not sure, can't find a name on the card).


    Hello. I do not think all those old cards used on Peg2 would work on the G5 anyway.
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  • Butterfly
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    Tomo
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    @ Andreas:

    The screen stays gray. Just the same as with the Radeon.

    What card will work?

    Regards Tom
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    I doubt a Voodoo video card would work correctly.
    PCI cards have been problematic in G5s, and a Voodoo AGP card does not work at AGP 8X voltage.
    And even if that wasn't an issue, if it is a Voodoo 4 or 5 (instead of a Voodoo 3), the colors wouldn't be displayed correctly anyway.

    For the system mentioned, a Radeon 9200/9250, 9600, 9800, or X800XT with an Apple rom would be the best choice.

    Alternately an X1950Pro or X1600 AGP PC video card could be used.
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    I seem to remember fitting a Radeon 9200 PCI Gfx card in my PowerMac G5 to check if it would be useful, and it did at least work, though it obviously wasn't in the AGP slot, so a lot slower, but useful if you've nothing else. That worked for MorphOS as well as for Mac OS X I seem to remember, but as I said, it wouldn't be my first choice anyway.

    I later got a Radeon 9600 PowerMac G5 Mac Apple standard 128MB Gfx card for £1 which is in my system now, and is more straightforward to use.

    Quote:

    Andreas Wolf: With MorphOS and Linux this can be circumvented by using an AtomBIOS-based Radeon (R500+) card.

    Which specific cards are these - specifically by model number, if you know? :-? (haha/huhu - Andreas NOT know something about what he quoted?!)
    Quote:

    Jim: Alternately an X1950Pro or X1600 AGP PC video card could be used

    They still seem to sell for quite a lot, and they don't seem to be that easy to source, or are they?
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    Quote:

    NewSense wrote:
    I seem to remember fitting a Radeon 9200 PCI Gfx card in my PowerMac G5 to check if it would be useful, and it did at least work, though it obviously wasn't in the AGP slot, so a lot slower, but useful if you've nothing else. That worked for MorphOS as well as for Mac OS X I seem to remember, but as I said, it wouldn't be my first choice anyway.

    I later got a Radeon 9600 PowerMac G5 Mac Apple standard 128MB Gfx card for £1 which is in my system now, and is more straightforward to use.

    Quote:

    Andreas Wolf: With MorphOS and Linux this can be circumvented by using an AtomBIOS-based Radeon (R500+) card.

    Which specific cards are these - specifically by model number, if you know? :-? (haha/huhu - Andreas NOT know something about what he quoted?!)
    Quote:

    Jim: Alternately an X1950Pro or X1600 AGP PC video card could be used

    They still seem to sell for quite a lot, and they don't seem to be that easy to source, or are they?


    I am not sure that I would recommend an R500 card for the G5 as the cards that work rely on a PCIe to AGP bridge chip that slows down the transfer rate.
    Personally, I just used a Radeon 9600 as they are cheap, plentiful, and perform adequately.
    And the R300 driver is fairly mature, so 9600 and 9800 cards work well under MorphOS.
    R400 cards like the X800XT are also an option, but only offer a modest performance boost.

    Anything higher really requires a PCIe expansion slot, and at this point the only supported system with this is the SAM460.
    This will improve when X5000 support is released, but that system has some issues including surprisingly low memory bandwidth.

    Were we to received PowerMac 11,2 support we'd be able to support everything up to the GCN Gen1 cards, making cheap, powerful cards like the HD 7850 an option.

    So far...that idea has been rejected, even though proof of concept ports have been done.
    I have a PCIe Quad G5, but will probably buy an X5000/40 when it is introduced because I want to have a MorphOS PPC system that uses a Radeon HD 5000 or 6000 series card.

    I'll dual boot Linux and MorphOS from this and be satisfied that my final MorphOS PPC system is the best I can get.

    An expensive alternative since 11,2 PowerMac would be a cheaper (and probably more powerful) solution.
    But I'm fanatical enough to go for that.

    Sorry to go so far off course...
    Again, if I were you I would go with an Apple Radeon 9600, 9800, or X800XT.

    [ Edited by Jim 07.02.2018 - 10:38 ]
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    Jim replied : if I were you I would go with an Apple Radeon 9600, 9800, or X800XT.

    Thanks for the info, that's my thoughts at this stage anyway. I seem to remember having a Radeon 9800 Mac AGP Gfx card tucked away somewhere, but I'm happy enough with the 9600, though I haven't registered my 2.3DP G5 PwrMac for MorphOS as yet, as I'm happy enough with the MacMini and PowerBook I have registered at the moment. ;-)

    That may change as/when (eventually) v3.10 gets released (our wait for v3.10 is really overdue IMHO) :-(
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    >> With MorphOS and Linux this can be circumvented by using an AtomBIOS-based
    >> Radeon (R500+) card.

    > Which specific cards are these - specifically by model number, if you know?

    For instance those mentioned by Jim:

    >> Alternately an X1950Pro or X1600 AGP PC video card could be used
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    > Were we to received PowerMac 11,2 support we'd be able to support everything
    > up to the GCN Gen1 cards

    Why not GCN2 or newer?
  • »07.02.18 - 22:17
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    >> With MorphOS and Linux this can be circumvented by using an AtomBIOS-based Radeon (R500+) card.

    > Which specific cards are these - specifically by model number, if you know?

    For instance those mentioned by Jim:

    >> Alternately an X1950Pro or X1600 AGP PC video card could be used

    So are these TWO cards the ONLY AtomBIOS-based Radeon cards that can be used with MorphOS?

    How can you actually tell that a graphics card is AtomBIOS-based?
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    > are these TWO cards the ONLY AtomBIOS-based Radeon cards that can be used
    > with MorphOS?

    http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware lists 9 supported AtomBIOS-based R5x0/RV5xx cards (Radeon X1300 to Radeon X1950 Pro).

    > How can you actually tell that a graphics card is AtomBIOS-based?

    AtomBIOS is used on every Radeon graphics card based on R500 or newer GPU series* (so Radeon X1300 and newer cards), except the X1900 GT variants with PPC ROM.


    Edit: * While early AtomBIOS versions came already somewhen during R400 series, the MorphOS AtomBIOS parser seems to require the newer AtomBIOS versions that started with the R500 series.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 19.01.2021 - 00:58 ]
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Were we to received PowerMac 11,2 support we'd be able to support everything
    > up to the GCN Gen1 cards

    Why not GCN2 or newer?


    Until I hear from someone that has a Gen2 or higher card working in a G5 I can't say, but I don't see why it should not be possible.

    I find the whole driver support situation frustrating in that the majority of the new drivers Mark is finalizing won't work with almost all of our supported systems.
    No word yet as to whether the R600 AGP models will be supported, but an HD3850/70 or 4650/70 would be pretty cool in a G4 or G5.

    AND, a 6870 would be really cool in an 11,2.

    But...if I can't have that, I will eventually be able to use that card in an X5000 (and possibly a GCN card eventually).
    SO, if anyone questions my reasoning for supporting this platform, it's for the expansion capabilities.
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    Hi Everyone,

    I found this one: Videokaart Sapphire AMD Radeon R5 230 2 GB DDR3-RAM PCIe x16 DVI, VGA, HDMI
    Is this one useable for the G5?
    It is not an ATI but AMD. Makes that a difference? Do I really use an ATI?

    https://www.conrad.nl/nl/videokaart-sapphire-amd-radeon-r5-230-2-gb-ddr3-ram-pcie-x16-dvi-vga-hdmi-1193401.html?sc.ref=Search%20Results

    regards, Tom
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    > I found this one: [...] Radeon R5 230 [...] PCIe x16 [...]
    > Is this one useable for the G5?

    Assuming you mean an AGP-based G5 machine, I‘m not sure how you‘re going to insert a PCIe card ;-)
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    Caicos Pro...Mark's drivers, when released should support that, BUT as Andreas pointed out it won't plug into an AGP G5.

    Terascale 2, GCN...all out of our reach with everything except the SAM460.
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    > Caicos Pro...Mark's drivers, when released should support that

    HD6450 based on Caicos/RV910 is supported according to http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware, non-accelerated so far.

    > Terascale 2 [...] out of our reach with everything except the SAM460.

    HD5450 based on Cedar/RV810 is supported according to http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware (also non-accelerated) and exists as PCI card. Couldn‘t this work in a G5‘s PCI(-X) slot?
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Caicos Pro...Mark's drivers, when released should support that

    HD6450 based on Caicos/RV910 is supported according to http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware, non-accelerated so far.

    > Terascale 2 [...] out of our reach with everything except the SAM460.

    HD5450 based on Cedar/RV810 is supported according to http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware (also non-accelerated) and exists as PCI card. Couldn‘t this work in a G5‘s PCI(-X) slot?


    Interesting thought. I tried to find an PCI HD 5450 back around the time AmiWest 2017 was occuring without luck.
    They made a few, but they are rare.
    My guess is a 4670 AGP card would perform as well (if we see support for that).
    And the R600 driver will have overlay support.
    I'd still like to try an HD6750 like the card I lent Acil.
    Although the 8490 also looks like a nice low profile option.

    BTW - Hans de Ruiter has posted a screen shot of a Polaris based card running in a SAM460 system. So RX460/560 cards apparently work in a PCIe 1.1 slot. That could mean they are likely to run in the 11,2's 1.0 slots as well.
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