As I have mentioned before, if all we want is a word processor, then supporting Cinnamon Writer makes a lot of sense.
It already has Word compatibility.

@Jim

As well as Calimero: http://world-of-amiga.eu/download/Calimero_beta_0.12.lha

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Yes, supporting these products mighthelp them get out of beta.

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How childish... There are so few develpers in Amigaland, that an universal binary "MorphOS" + "OS4" will benefit of a larger userbase for things like discovering and signalling bugs and could rely on a more vaste bunch of programmers and coders.

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As much as I would like to see a full featured native office suite for MorphOS, I fail to see the point. Printing is still an issue, and MS Word compatibility is still very basic on the word processors we do have. Google Docs seems like a much better solution for now. I use it all the time. The only drawback is the memory leaks in OWB, but the auto save in it makes it as worry free as it can be.

As far as the fighting over OS4 or MOS, just get the devs together and combine efforts. We are way to small to have so many parallel projects like that happening at once!

> universal binary "MorphOS" + "OS4"

Does something like this exist? I've never come across it.

For libraries, you can achieve something close enough by using the old way to mix 68k and PPC files on one single volume:
your.library <- 68k or alien code
your.library.elf <- MorphOS code

On MorphOS, the ".elf" file will be used. The other one on other systems.

Or just use an IconX script using "version MorphOS" to run a binary or another.
The end user will only see one directory containing one single icon...

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The end goal is an office suite not just updating Final Writer.

~Tim

I am glad to see someone else is actually "on the same page" metaphorically, and literally - apologies, but the pun was intended.

A dedicated office suite would make this OS more of a serious contender for more people to consider it rather than having to go "outside" to create a document of whatever kind as MOS doesn't have anything recent that is good enough to speak of.

I have tried Cinnamon Writer, and it just doesn't do "what it says on the tin" additionally the author, Claus Desler, who I have spoken to, seems to have been very quiet of recent, with no updates than the initial release - which was basically useless.

Carsten Siegner, author of Calimero. has been very active, and seems recently to have been trying to improve Calimero, and some of his other programs, but Calimero is definitely a "Work-In-Progress" as there are lots of issues with it not behaving stably - well not when I have used it, and I have reported it back to him, but he is currently, as far as I am aware, still working on fixing the issues, and does regularly improve it with new features.

I use Pagestream a lot, now that it is working, though that was after some initial issues with getting it to work (no text or fonts issue - which many users seem to have had this trouble), and that is my mainstay for documents using MorphOS, as most, if not all, of the other older "Legacy" 'office' software has issues that make them troublesome, and cause me to side-step them for most documents. GUI in Final Writer does not initiate correctly, and WordWorth does not print out to USBPAR device, as far as I am aware, and I get very poor results, if any, with Turboprint.

I haven't had any issues recently with printing on MorphOS, with my HP 2500 colour laserjet, as it supports PostScript, and Zukow's Beta Printing (USBPAR device) system works very well. Though I would clearly like to see it finished and incorporated into MorphOS, as it is fiddly having to install it manually after each MOS update, but it seems it is most of the way to being completed, as far as I can tell, though some additions like zoom printing, preview printing, booklet (multi-page) printing, etc. would make it a really great feature of MorphOS.

Cinnamon Writer seems to be a really good choice.
I sent the author an email to ask about its development and donation.

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I definitely want Cinnamon writer as word processor!
I sent an email to Claus Desler and he kindly answered to me. Here the email text he wrote:

Thank you for your interest! The next version of CW is in alpha phase
right now, and my hope is that I can progress to beta stage within a
couple of months. Development is primarily on AOS4, but cross-compiling
to Morphos will not take more than a couple of days. When I reach a
decent beta stage of the program I will compile a morphos version and ask
morphos users to help with beta testing. I have attached a screenshot of
CW. This version is already quite dated :) Don't worry about donations
before you actually got the new version of CW running on your computer
Best regards
Claus

and this is the screenshot:
http://s4.postimg.org/hon78diyl/Cinnamon_Writer.jpg

A little more patience.

Thanks for the update.
I have not exchanged messages with Claus recently.
If I had the resources, I would hav snt him a registered MorphOS system.
Maybe when SAM460 support is introducedI will be able to put something together.
That would be able to run OS4 and MorphOS on the same platform.
And with the current exchange rates, I could put such a system pretty cheaply.

Jim, I didn't know he hasn't got a MorphOS machine and a registered system.
I could sent him my Quicksilver with a Sonnet 1.8 inside. I didn't use it too often so I don't want to let this machine to become a dust collector. Better give it to a developer and since I was going to donate him something I guess this is a good chance to be useful.
Let me arrange the whole thing (check the machine again, install the last MorphOS and buy a registration for him). I will try to finish at the begin of the next week.

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That would be great.
As far as I know, Claus still does not have a registered system.
Like he has said, his primary focus was OS4.
What he has accomlished so far is pretty impressive.

And the MorphOS version developed at 30 minutes per session...

I'm waiting for his answer....

i'm wondering if it is possible for Carsten Siegner and Claus Delser to join forces to accomplish a good Word Processor for both systems. That would be most efficient way to get things done IMO.

> the MorphOS version developed at 30 minutes per session...

So he has MorphOS-compatible hardware already?

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I believe he does, but I cannot remember the specs.
Still, you don't need a powerhouse to run a word processor.
The price for registering it would be dependant on the specs.

I can see where you are headed Andreas, but it seemed simplier to send him an already registered system with the development software installed then to expect him to set it up himself.



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I have asked both of them that very question, but neither Carsten or Claus seemed too 'smitten' / enthusiastic about going that route, sadly

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Claus develope in C++, i develope in C.


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Jim I received Claus' answer via email and he wrote he has got a Mac mini 1.42 yet with MorphOS installed. Therefore he suggested to donate the G4 to another programmer which could benefit of this MorphOS machine much more than him.
Great man!
I will wait for the beta to use my paypal. He deserve.

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OK, thanks, after such a long wait, for explaining the reason for the issues there would be in working together, which is a pity, but understandable.

Hope there is still continued progress with Calimero, and thanks Carsten for the quick reply as well.

Well...that got very little resolved.
Claus has a MacMini (not my favorite MorphOS platform, but wtf), but he still does not have the OS registered.
And, thanks to the way registration and regtool work I can't just pay for his registration.
Well, its hard to recommend that others support a project when I have issues with it's development myself.
So hopefully Carsten will continue to work on his program.

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I wll gladly donate a reasonable amout of money in a Bounty to let Claus getting a full MorphOS License.

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I think that is a very kind offer, but you can't really expect a developer to necessarily address the issue that was the cause of a donation.
Everyone, I want you to consider this, I don't expect to dictate to Claus how he spends his donations.
So...if you like the program, donate.
Personally, I like what the program could be.
So I was really stuck as to how to help further its development.
Obviously, one way would be to assure that Claus has a development system that has a registered version of the OS on it.

1.42GHz G4 MacMini is not the best platform for developing MorphOS, due to only having 32mb VRAM, so it would probably still be a good idea to send him a preconfigured 1.5GHz G4 Silent Upgrade MacMini, or a 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook, to do his MorphOS development work and testing on. Those two systems are the most capable, while also being the easiest to ship.

It makes no sense to ship a G4, or G5 PowerMac system, due to the size and weight, unless someone lives close to the developer in question and can deliver it in person. I like Jim's idea of pre-installing the latest version of MorphOS, the SDK (and any other development tools needed), and registering MorphOS on that system, before sending it out to the developer.

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