I fear it wouldn't be trivial for someone not familiar with javascriptcore integration in WebKit. This should be asked to WebKit developers, rather.

> Time to re-open the renaming discussion!

Kas1e two weeks ago:

"Himon, which is a port of mui-OWB browser from morphos to amigaos4."
http://jurassic-blog.de/?p=99

Kas1e a week ago:

"Fab already have a name , he will change it for 1.13 or so."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32847&forum=32&start=1020#611815

Fab three days ago:

"I wouldn't allow it to have a different name for the OS4 port, anyway. That's part of my license."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33605&forum=32&start=100#612258


Edit: added another quote

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 29.04.2011 - 22:15 ]

Or we could just take one of the many suggestions by OS4 users.

> Or we could just take one of the many suggestions by OS4 users.

We? It's Fab's decision alone I'd say. And if I combine Kas1e's and Fab's statements I quoted above it seems the decision has long been arrived at Himon. I could be mistaken, though.

Fab's never shown any inclination to change the name. Frankly, except for the fact that it doesn't reflect Fab's continuous work on it, I'd be happy with...OWB.

Quote:

You are saying someone just spilled the beans about the new name?

Quote:

On the contrary, he has suggested that a renaming would occur in a close future, like for version 1.13 or so.

Which makes perfect sense, since it hasn't had much to do with the OWB project for a very long time, and a lot of people obviously gets confused about the name, thinking this would be the same as what's available for OS4 etc, when it in practice really is a new browser based on webkit.

> Fab's never shown any inclination to change the name.

Fab in August 2010:

"if you find a nice one, maybe i'll think about changing it."
https://morph.zone/modules/news/article.php?item_id=1787&comment_id=4825&mode=thread

> You are saying someone just spilled the beans about the new name?

I'm suspecting that 'someone' spilled the beans about the new name two weeks ago.

It's not about the name, it's about how much this browser can do.. Take a look on AmigaOS name.. It has something but can much less than MorphOS can.

Update:

> if I combine Kas1e's and Fab's statements I quoted above it seems the
> decision has long been arrived at Himon. I could be mistaken, though.

Kas1e made a somewhat cryptic (at least to me) remark:

"dunno what Himon is it, i never say it, dunno from where it come to text really. Looks like Thomas (who give me questions) he a bit misunderstood the stuff when do final correctinos."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33491&forum=43&start=100#613257

What's the great Himon mystery all about? Fab? :-)

No idea. I didn't even remember about that name, actually. :)

> No idea. I didn't even remember about that name, actually. :)

Thanks for clarification on your part. Yet it's really mysterious. An interview mentions 'Himon' as the new name for the "port of mui-OWB browser from morphos to amigaos4" but neither you nor the interviewee seems to know that name. I think I'm going to call Mulder and Scully ;-)

@Andreas_Wolf:

"http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf.jpg"

Interesting to see that someone has managed to get 2GB RAM into a Mac mini G4

Hmm.. Maybe we should ask them about that?

Never had a 2 GB DDR1 stick, so never tried and having more than 1gb of ram (for MorphOS, MacOS X would greatly benifit) probaby not worth the risk in buying it.


As a slight aside why does the MDD PowerMacs with 4 slots only see a maximum of 2Gb? I would ask why Apple doesn't issue a 'Bios'/Open Firmware fix for it, but, that's not really The Apple Way©.

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer

> Interesting to see that someone has managed to get 2GB RAM into a Mac mini G4 ;-)

Yeah, probably a typo.

> Never had a 2 GB DDR1 stick, so never tried

Others did:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7668&forum=3&start=6

Update:

>> "http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf.jpg"
>> Interesting to see that someone has managed to get 2GB RAM into a Mac mini G4 ;-)

> Yeah, probably a typo.

New chart for TenFourFox 5 with typo removed:
http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf2.jpg

Edit:

New chart for TenFourFox 7:
http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf3.jpg
New chart for TenFourFox 10:
http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf4.jpg

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 04.06.2012 - 09:25 ]

> I will report my findings when I set my peg up again

Did you find the time yet? I can see that you've started talking about your Peg2 being able to replay 720p video again, so I hope you might have some findings to report.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34545&forum=2&start=180#641410

Update:

> Nothing about Nitro/JaegerMonkey unfortunately

Now, one year later, finally there's Nitro/JaegerMonkey for PPC:

http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/12/90-rc-available-with-secret-sauce.html

> when I get back to my studio in LA I will elaborate more.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6197#83528

Did you find the time yet?

@Andreas_Wolf,

Are you using TenFourFox on your G4 (and/or G5) Mac computers when running MacOSX instead of Firefox3.6.25? (that is the latest version of Firefox I have installed on my MacOSX)

If yes, is it a lot faster, or just more compatible with more websites? In other words, why do you use it instead of Firefox, or another browser?

The article you linked is interesting, although I did not carefully read all of it, since I do not fully understand all of what it was saying.

I wonder if any parts of what they are doing with JIT for PPC can be used to improve any unrelated projects in MorphOS? It would be nice if parts of these JIT engines could be adapted to help someone restart working on a project to provide JAVA for NG Amiga's, including MorphOS, or better Javascript performance for several Amiga & MorphOS applications, like browsers.

From skimming through the article, it appears that a lot of work continues to be done on JIT engines for PPC, which is good news, since so many other areas and companies and developers seem to be abandoning anything for PPC computers.

[ Edited by amigadave 16.01.2012 - 15:20 ]

> Are you using TenFourFox on your G4 (and/or G5) Mac computers
> when running MacOSX instead of Firefox3.6.25?

Yes, I've been using TenFourFox on my Mac mini for more than a year as the main browser on MacOSX.

> is it a lot faster, or just more compatible with more websites?

It's both faster and more compatible.

> why do you use it instead of Firefox, or another browser?

Mainly because it incorporates a JIT compiler for translation of JavaScript code to PPC machine code.

> I wonder if any parts of what they are doing with JIT for PPC can be
> used to improve any unrelated projects in MorphOS?

The only project in MorphOS where I can see use for a JavaScript-to-PPC JIT compiler is OWB. Though Fab says integration into WebKit (which OWB is based on) "wouldn't be trivial". I guess that this project may be easier to integrate into OWB as Chrome/Chromium is also based on WebKit.

> It would be nice if parts of these JIT engines could be adapted to help
> someone restart working on a project to provide JAVA for NG Amiga's,
> including MorphOS

A JIT compiler that translates JavaScript code into PPC machine code would be of no use for translating Java virtual machine code into PPC machine code.

> or better Javascript performance for several Amiga & MorphOS applications,
> like browsers.

Yes, that's exactly what a JavaScript-to-PPC JIT compiler is for.

> it appears that a lot of work continues to be done on JIT engines for
> PPC, which is good news, since so many other areas and companies
> and developers seem to be abandoning anything for PPC computers.

True. Apart from JavaScript JIT compilers there are other JIT compilers in the works targeting PPC, like for E-UAE, Python and Lua.

lost my flash on 10-4-fox how do you get it going?

> lost my flash on 10-4-fox how do you get it going?

http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/07/60b1-available.html has the information on how the re-enable it. And yes, it works. With a little fiddling you can even run content that requires Flash 11.