Fab did it again - OWB 1.11 released
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    Update:

    > there seems to be progress on Nanojit/TraceMonkey for PPC

    It got released, the first PPC web browser with a JS JIT:

    "After working more with the nanojit, I have decided not to make it the default, but it is there, and you can use it."
    http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/01/beta-9-now-available.html

    "The first draft of the PowerPC-specific nanojit is now available, helping to accelerate certain JavaScript operations. This portion of code is specific to TenFourFox and is still under development, so it is not enabled by default."
    http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/ReleaseNotesBeta9

    "As of beta 9, 10.4Fx uses a custom PowerPC-enabled nanojit for JavaScript acceleration through TraceMonkey. Currently 10.4Fx is the only Mozilla-based browser to use this module, as it was developed for it; it is being contributed back to the Mozilla codebase for other Mozilla source consumers."
    http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/TechnicalDifferences

    "Thanks to user PoLiYa who wrote in to tell me about his fabulous score on SunSpider with his PowerBook G4/1.5GHz and the nanojit turned on: a whopping 2866ms, down from around 6400ms. [...] I got out my iBook/1.33GHz and repeated the test. [...] On the G4, the nanojit not only worked, it easily cut SunSpider scores in half, and Dromaeo was also about double the speed. User agg23 over at 68KMLA tried it on his G3, and also saw a similar speed improvement, from 16000ms down to around 8900. [...] the plan for beta 10 is to ship the G3 and G4 versions (7400 testing is pending) with the nanojit turned on for content (web pages). If this works, it may also be enabled for chrome (i.e., the browser's own JavaScript, and add-on JavaScript)"
    http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/01/lies-damn-lies-statistics-and-g5-beta-9.html

    Nice comparison chart:
    http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf.jpg

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2011/1/18 11:36 ]
    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2011/1/22 0:49 ]
    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2011/2/8 3:21 ]
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    Update:

    Some information from the author of TenFourFox:

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33201&forum=15#601209
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    "If any MorphOS developers read this thread, I would love to get MorphOS running on my idle iBook G4s. If it runs on G4 Mac minis, I can't imagine why it would be difficult to get it to run on iBooks as the hardware is nearly identical, and I'd love a portable Miggy."

    Fab, got any time left to contact this guy? Or is this JavaScript PowerPC JIT unpluggable into OWB?
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    I fear it wouldn't be trivial for someone not familiar with javascriptcore integration in WebKit. This should be asked to WebKit developers, rather.
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    > Time to re-open the renaming discussion!

    Kas1e two weeks ago:

    "Himon, which is a port of mui-OWB browser from morphos to amigaos4."
    http://jurassic-blog.de/?p=99

    Kas1e a week ago:

    "Fab already have a name , he will change it for 1.13 or so."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32847&forum=32&start=1020#611815

    Fab three days ago:

    "I wouldn't allow it to have a different name for the OS4 port, anyway. That's part of my license."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33605&forum=32&start=100#612258


    Edit: added another quote

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 29.04.2011 - 22:15 ]
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    Or we could just take one of the many suggestions by OS4 users.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    > Or we could just take one of the many suggestions by OS4 users.

    We? It's Fab's decision alone I'd say. And if I combine Kas1e's and Fab's statements I quoted above it seems the decision has long been arrived at Himon. I could be mistaken, though.
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    Fab's never shown any inclination to change the name. Frankly, except for the fact that it doesn't reflect Fab's continuous work on it, I'd be happy with...OWB.
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    Quote:

    > Time to re-open the renaming discussion!

    Kas1e two weeks ago:

    "Himon, which is a port of mui-OWB browser from morphos to amigaos4."
    http://jurassic-blog.de/?p=99

    Fab three days ago:

    "I wouldn't allow it to have a different name for the OS4 port, anyway. That's part of my license."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33605&forum=32&start=100#612258


    You are saying someone just spilled the beans about the new name?
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    Quote:

    Fab's never shown any inclination to change the name. Frankly, except for the fact that it doesn't reflect Fab's continuous work on it, I'd be happy with...OWB.


    On the contrary, he has suggested that a renaming would occur in a close future, like for version 1.13 or so.

    Which makes perfect sense, since it hasn't had much to do with the OWB project for a very long time, and a lot of people obviously gets confused about the name, thinking this would be the same as what's available for OS4 etc, when it in practice really is a new browser based on webkit.
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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    > Fab's never shown any inclination to change the name.

    Fab in August 2010:

    "if you find a nice one, maybe i'll think about changing it."
    https://morph.zone/modules/news/article.php?item_id=1787&comment_id=4825&mode=thread
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    > You are saying someone just spilled the beans about the new name?

    I'm suspecting that 'someone' spilled the beans about the new name two weeks ago.
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    It's not about the name, it's about how much this browser can do.. Take a look on AmigaOS name.. It has something but can much less than MorphOS can.
    MorphOS 3.x
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    Update:

    > if I combine Kas1e's and Fab's statements I quoted above it seems the
    > decision has long been arrived at Himon. I could be mistaken, though.

    Kas1e made a somewhat cryptic (at least to me) remark:

    "dunno what Himon is it, i never say it, dunno from where it come to text really. Looks like Thomas (who give me questions) he a bit misunderstood the stuff when do final correctinos."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33491&forum=43&start=100#613257

    What's the great Himon mystery all about? Fab? :-)
  • »04.05.11 - 16:31
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    No idea. I didn't even remember about that name, actually. :)
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    > No idea. I didn't even remember about that name, actually. :)

    Thanks for clarification on your part. Yet it's really mysterious. An interview mentions 'Himon' as the new name for the "port of mui-OWB browser from morphos to amigaos4" but neither you nor the interviewee seems to know that name. I think I'm going to call Mulder and Scully ;-)
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    @Andreas_Wolf:

    "http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf.jpg"

    Interesting to see that someone has managed to get 2GB RAM into a Mac mini G4 ;-)
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    Hmm.. Maybe we should ask them about that?

    Never had a 2 GB DDR1 stick, so never tried and having more than 1gb of ram (for MorphOS, MacOS X would greatly benifit) probaby not worth the risk in buying it.


    As a slight aside why does the MDD PowerMacs with 4 slots only see a maximum of 2Gb? I would ask why Apple doesn't issue a 'Bios'/Open Firmware fix for it, but, that's not really The Apple Way©.

    http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer
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    > Interesting to see that someone has managed to get 2GB RAM into a Mac mini G4 ;-)

    Yeah, probably a typo.
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    > Never had a 2 GB DDR1 stick, so never tried

    Others did:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7668&forum=3&start=6
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    Update:

    >> "http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf.jpg"
    >> Interesting to see that someone has managed to get 2GB RAM into a Mac mini G4 ;-)

    > Yeah, probably a typo.

    New chart for TenFourFox 5 with typo removed:
    http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf2.jpg

    Edit:

    New chart for TenFourFox 7:
    http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf3.jpg
    New chart for TenFourFox 10:
    http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/graf4.jpg

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 04.06.2012 - 09:25 ]
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    > I will report my findings when I set my peg up again

    Did you find the time yet? I can see that you've started talking about your Peg2 being able to replay 720p video again, so I hope you might have some findings to report.

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34545&forum=2&start=180#641410
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    Update:

    > Nothing about Nitro/JaegerMonkey unfortunately

    Now, one year later, finally there's Nitro/JaegerMonkey for PPC:

    http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/12/90-rc-available-with-secret-sauce.html
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    > when I get back to my studio in LA I will elaborate more.

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6197#83528

    Did you find the time yet?
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