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MUI4 without debug?

Amigaz

# 1
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 121 from 2005/6/11

Running MorphOS PowerUP and would like to know if I there's an MUI4 without debug which slows down all MUI related too much for it to be fun

If the search function had worked on this forum I would probably had found my answer by now...
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MorphOS PowerUP powered Amiga 4000
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Pegasos II G4 1ghz
Radeon 8500 128mb
Soundblaster Live 5.1 Digital
Realtek 2139B 100mbit
»09.03.07 - 21:57

Framiga

# 2
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 363 from 2003/7/11

From: Milan-Italy

try with theese startup settings:

startup hal=roms/hal.com1 kernel=roms/kernel.com1 abox=roms/abox2.com1 module=roms/module.com1 resetlevel=$resetlevel ramdebug verbose debug EDebugFlags="NoLogServer LoadSeg" sumkick disableled delay=$delay extmodules=extmodules/#? $bootdevice $kickstart >NIL:

and if it still feels slow for you, run Sashimi also

[ Edited by Framiga on 2007/3/10 0:10 ]
»09.03.07 - 22:07

Amigaz

# 3
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 121 from 2005/6/11

Quote:

Framiga wrote:
try with theese startup settings:

startup hal=roms/hal.com1 kernel=roms/kernel.com1 abox=roms/abox2.com1 module=roms/module.com1 resetlevel=$resetlevel ramdebug verbose debug EDebugFlags="NoLogServer LoadSeg" sumkick disableled delay=$delay extmodules=extmodules/#? $bootdevice $kickstart >NIL:

and if it still feels slow for you, run Sashimi also

[ Edited by Framiga on 2007/3/10 0:10 ]

Gracie!

Will try and let you know how it works
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MorphOS PowerUP powered Amiga 4000
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Pegasos II G4 1ghz
Radeon 8500 128mb
Soundblaster Live 5.1 Digital
Realtek 2139B 100mbit
»10.03.07 - 07:23

Amigaz

# 4
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 121 from 2005/6/11

Seems like the ss stuff and Sashimi helped a bit.

What commands do you use with Sashimi?
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MorphOS PowerUP powered Amiga 4000
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Pegasos II G4 1ghz
Radeon 8500 128mb
Soundblaster Live 5.1 Digital
Realtek 2139B 100mbit
»10.03.07 - 14:56

AmigaMancer

# 5
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 265 from 2005/8/25

@Amigaz
I remember that someone opened an identical thread in here about 1-2 months ago and the reply was that the debug implementation of MUI doesn't slow down your system like Ambient's debug does.

There are 2 things which i don't understand about this:
Why Sashimi is needed when we use the ramdebug argument? Aren't these 2 things suppose to perform the same function??
Isn't ramdebug and debug arguments contradictive?

[ Edited by AmigaMancer on 2007/3/10 22:48 ]
Amiga 1200 user.
»10.03.07 - 19:46

Amigaz

# 6
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 121 from 2005/6/11

Quote:

AmigaMancer wrote:
@Amigaz
I remember that someone opened an identical thread in here about 1-2 months ago and the reply was that the debug implementation of MUI doesn't slow down your system like Ambient's debug does.

There are 2 things which i don't understand about this:
Why Sashimi is needed when we use the ramdebug argument? Aren't these 2 things suppose to perform the same function??
Isn't ramdebug and debug arguments contradictive?

[ Edited by AmigaMancer on 2007/3/10 22:48 ]

That's weird since now some MUI related windows open much slower..for example the Ibrowse download window
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MorphOS PowerUP powered Amiga 4000
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Pegasos II G4 1ghz
Radeon 8500 128mb
Soundblaster Live 5.1 Digital
Realtek 2139B 100mbit
»11.03.07 - 07:39

itix

# 7
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24

From: Finland

MUI spills out some debug when programs are doing something wrong or suspicious with window layout. IIRC it also happens sometimes when program is using listviews (like in download manager) but I cant check it now...

And no, there is no MUI4 without debug available...
1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
»11.03.07 - 10:15

Fab

# 8
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1331 from 2003/6/16

Not listviews, but nlistviews. Despite these warnings, nlist hasn't been fixed and still brutalizes MUI. :)
»11.03.07 - 12:09

AmigaMancer

# 9
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 265 from 2005/8/25

@Amigaz
Quote:

That's weird since now some MUI related windows open much slower..for example the Ibrowse download window

Yes, i have also noticed that. In fact, i have opened a special thread about this in the past. I just informed you on what the reply was in that "MUI without debug?" thread.

@All
I'd still like to receive an answer to this:
Quote:

There are 2 things which i don't understand about this:
Why Sashimi is needed when we use the ramdebug argument? Aren't these 2 things suppose to perform the same function??
Isn't ramdebug and debug arguments contradictive?

Also, which of the MUI classes are being used by Ambient?
Amiga 1200 user.
»12.03.07 - 01:36

itix

# 10
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24

From: Finland

Quote:

Why Sashimi is needed when we use the ramdebug argument?

Sashimi is not needed. If you use ramdebug option debug output normally captured by Sashimi would go to ramdebug anyway.

Sashimi can't even capture all debug going to ramdebug buffer.
1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
»12.03.07 - 04:07

AmigaMancer

# 11
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 265 from 2005/8/25

@itix
I was right then. Thanks.
Amiga 1200 user.
»12.03.07 - 04:59

Fab

# 12
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1331 from 2003/6/16

Amigaz,

IB download window uses nlist, which is a rather buggy class and thus makes mui produce a lot of debug.

Ambient only uses listtree.mcp.
»12.03.07 - 11:48