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Ah, an old argument.
Linux continually gets updated to cover its shortfalls.
Every so often, I will download a distro, use it briefly then go back to a commercial OS.
It invariably does something that fails me.

And I really wish someone had not brought up rooted phones.
I'm looking at mine right now with an eye toward throwing it against a wall.

Further, I should know not to argue with Kronos (especially when he has numbers on his side).

Then again, the mob does rule.
That is how the wintel platform got a lead.
Doesn't make it right.

[ Edited by Jim 11.11.2015 - 09:35 ]

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That spec sure looks like it reads "Debian GNU/Linux" on the current model in development.
And its got a smaller screen than my current cursed phone.

Hey, I can be a curmudgeon, too.

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You've lost me now Jim.

Your original complaint was that Linux drivers run in kernel space no?

MorphOS (More specifically the A/Box) uses the Exec kernel.

Where do drivers run under Exec?

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"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." - Benjamin Franklin

"I'm a hard worker." - George W. Bush Jim

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And others get their house for free because the parents give it to them. Doesn't mean that this true for most of us.
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THis one looks nice but Nvidia means that we have no single driver for any of their cards and as fa as I remember this was the main reason for chosing Radeon: because they have a better driver documentation. So I guess boarsds like these (boards with any Nvidia graphic chips) are off by default.

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This is a rather crude comparison. My point is that if all you care about is to get the cheapest possible hardware to run MorphOS on, then chances are good you will be able to get an eMac or similar hardware either for free or close to free sooner or later.

Are there going to be exceptions depending on where you live? Obviously, but then again the cited 9 USD is not going to be matched everywhere either due to varying VAT rates, customs tariffs, shipping fees, and so on.

Put more succinctly, access to extremely low-cost hardware is hardly an argument in favor of moving to ARM. The current hardware options already feature a wide gamut of price points. It is the performance area that is a bit lacking.

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There is an open source driver for the previous generation of the Tegra (K1) at least which nVidia contributed to, but this is very much besides my point: I was not proposing to port MorphOS to this particular hardware or even ARM in general. I was merely stating that I personally find higher end hardware options more interesting as those could offer existing users a performance upgrade.

As far as MorphZone visitors are concerned, requests for faster hardware are certainly a lot more frequent than complaints about excessively high hardware prices (not sure if any recent ones exist) ...

> Haven't heard much recently but X-Gene 2 was due soon with 3 fairly soon after.

More details on X-Gene 3 have been announced while X-Gene 2 is still sampling according to http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1328249

Press release:
http://www.apm.com/news/appliedmicro-announces-x-gene-3-the-industrys-first-armv8-a-finfet-server-s/

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 17.11.2015 - 00:31 ]

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I wasn't suggesting the $9 board as a porting target, more expressing surprise at what you can get for $9 these days!

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Would it surprise you that there are benchmarks showing that Nvidia board getting trounced by the iPhone 6S?

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Wow, those G5s have really come down in price! I guess cheap hardware isn't a problem at the moment.

That said they're getting on a bit now. The next gen phones coming in now should show a clear lead over the G5s.

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Unfortunately, the pricing on Kickstarter is misleading because 9 USD is not the final price a EU-based customer should have to pay after VAT and potential customs charges (depends on the total order volume).

Furthermore, according to the European WEEE regulations, Next Thing Co. are legally required to register in the national registry of each EU member state where the company sells to end users, in order to fulfil take-back obligations, to report on the quantities placed on the market of each member state, and so on. All of this requires time and adds administrative overhead and costs.

The only way to offer their hardware at 9 USD to EU-based customers would be by breaking the law...

I understand that this is besides your point but I just find it unfortunate how Kickstarter campaigns like this one can skew the price perceptions of consumers who then wrongly complain about being overcharged by greedy local retailers.

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Actually, it would not surprise me and I also would not be bothered by it. I mentioned the board because it has a standard desktop-ready form factor as well as 16 GB of memory. Even though the iPhone 6S´ CPU may be faster, I would not want to run a traditional modern desktop operating system on a computing device with just 2 GB of RAM.

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Not unless you are an impulse buyer who wants to find a cheap offer within minutes. Anybody who is a bit patient should be able to find a good deal.

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For now, they will also cost more, however

iPad Pro is getting some good numbers:

http://wccftech.com/apple-a9xipad-pro-benchmarks/

Raspberry for 5$

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/

unbelievable

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Even given away for free as a "cover disk" of the December issue of The MagPi!

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AROS is looking very attractive right now.

THe situation of AROS does not change. It already had the cheapest hardware available. It just turned cheaper. AROS still has the same bugs and lacks the same features as before. And a computer without internet socket isn't much attractive. Or you have to buy a USB WiFi stick. But is there support for AROS for any of them or the one from the Pi shop?

huh? What? : ) Situation changed very much for AROS.

not a single bit. and this website and discussion is about MOS but not AROS.

What? User base exploded compared to aros i386 with the release of pi. So something changed.

If you want a bit more poke here's some AMD boards:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9807/arm-on-amd-the-a1100-seattle-silicon-at-supercomputing-15

That thing has a bigger cache than the RAM I ever had in an Amiga!

Up to 128GB Ram, that should keep you going for a while.

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I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong but i thought the General Discussion forum was for general discussion not just MorphOS specific topics.

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This is correct. If the percentage of off-topic discussions were to increase dramatically, then they would probably require a separate dedicated subforum but it has not been necessary so far.

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I do not know if it would be worth it but I would be interested to read what same bugs are in Aros and what same features Aros lacks... it would make the discussions more fact-based, most I have read are just emotional or general phrases like "Aros is x years behind". Where? In the API? Desktop? And compared to what?

I have created a thread for that otherwise such discussions would derail this thread:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11458&post_id=123113&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=0&forum=3#123113


[ Editiert durch OlafSch 27.11.2015 - 09:22 ]

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Most folks will also need to spend another 4-5 USD (plus taxes and shipping) just to get full-size USB and HDMI ports so they can use standard cables (or likely spend even more on buying new cables).

If you add up the costs for all accessories that would turn this board into what could roughly be called a "desktop computer", then one could just as well buy a Rasperry Pi 2 and get much better (albeit still quite limited) performance.

All gone!

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/11/raspberry-pi-zero-sells-out-within-24-hours/

No amount of nay-saying changes the Pi's popularity. The fact that it's marketed and made headway as a learning tool for new programmers should underscore its relevance to this community.

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This is truly amazing!

I am certain that Apple could today (if they wanted to) produce a proper desktop/laptop CPU of their own based on their ARM based designs. Maybe they will in a not too distant future? They sure has both the competence and the resources needed. IMHO they have been shooting for a lot more raw CPU performance than phones/tablets really need ever since the Cyclone architecture. A lot more. And in a way it would make sense for them to take control over their entire eco system, i.e. not only the OS but also the HW to the fullest. Who knows, maybe the "Mac" is about to have another ISA migration in the future?


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I agree.

Though this particular HW is very limited (unless expanded with a couple of add-ons for several (at least!) dollars ), it sure is a statement that nobody can ignore! Also if you look at it in some kind of future perspective.

When looking at Raspberry as a company and as products, where will they go from here, from the current offerings they have? I think it's quite possible that they, strengthened by their growing trade mark, will diversify "upwards" in the future. In other words, not only offering tiny, limited circuit boards, but perhaps also more like traditional computer products like laptops and maybe even some kind of "computer in a keyboard" (or in a monitor)? Maybe even some kind of desktop?

Apples quick stride in ARM development is very impressive, and they have come the furthest. However, they are not alone in doing interesting stuff on their own based on the ARM ISA, several other companies (and not as closed/proprietary) are moving in the same direction! ARM is definitely moving beyond "phones" into other segments (and has been doing this for years already), and maybe not just the server segments?

Linus Torvalds of Linux fame has said that "2016 will be the year of the ARM Laptop". Presumably he has some insight in various companies efforts.

I created this thread early 2011. Maybe the topic "ARM for the future?" is becoming more and more relevant?