• Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12543 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Andreas, when did I said it is a PowerEN chip and when did I said it will be
    > still called PowerEN?????

    Okay, you were not talking about calling it "PowerEN". Sorry for that, my bad. But as you just confirmed, you'd still call it a "variant of PowerEN", which I consider nonsense (see below).

    > Yes, it could be a "variant of PowerEN"

    No, if you strip off the on-chip peripherals that make the PowerEN the PowerEN (ignoring for once that this is not how chip development works anyway), i.e. a chip that is targeted at hybrid networking/server applications (that's what "EN" stands for after all), you do have neither a PowerEN nor a "variant of PowerEN" but just a bunch of A2 cores (which is what they really would start with btw). And if you then add AltiVec to those cores and some on-chip peripherals which make sense in a gaming console, you end up with a new chip that is as much a "variant of PowerEN" as it is a variant of Power BQC, i.e. not at all. Or do you really believe Microsoft would have any use for most of PowerEN's on-chip peripherals in a gaming console?

    > or a PowerPC chip with A2 core.

    Exactly, that's what it would be, as I've been saying all along. Whether A2 with AltiVec included would still be A2 is debatable, though, and would largely depend on how it was classified by IBM.

    > Welcher Idiot wird auf die Idee kommen zwei verschiedene CPUs den selben
    > Namen zu geben ....

    Theoretisch wäre es doch kein Problem, einen neuen Chip zum Beispiel "PowerEN 720" (für XBox720) o.ä. zu nennen. Warum es aber Blödsinn ist, für einen Chip, dem mangels entsprechender On-Chip-Peripherie inhaltlich das "EN" fehlt, "PowerEN" auch nur als Namens-*Bestandteil* zu verwenden, oder ihn eine "Variante des PowerEN" zu nennen, nur weil er identische (A2) oder verwandte (A2+AltiVec) CPU-Kerne verwendet, habe ich schon mehrfach zu erklären versucht. Es käme doch auch keiner ernsthaft auf die Idee, einen solchen Konsolen-Chip nur wegen der Kernverwandtschaft als Variante des Supercomputer-Chips Power BQC zu bezeichnen, oder?
  • »13.04.12 - 16:57
    Profile