boot_wb,
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Erm, yes ..... and how many SAMs and X1000s do you thing have been /will be sold ?

I wager that that number is lower atm and won't get much higher in the long run. All of them in the hands of people clearly in the red camp and even expecting 10% of them to purchase an additional MorphOS-licence seems like a stretch to me.

So we would be talking bout <100 licences spread over 3 very different HW-platforms.... heck I even Peg1s and eMacs are probraly registered in higher numbers !

@amidark

PowerBook with MorphOS would likely bring more OS4 users to MorphOS than porting MorphOS to SAM platform.

Porting MorphOS to SAM platform is only waste of resources. There is no great market to explore, new non-OS4 users are not interested to it, their availability is tricky and hardware (SAM460) is also burden to support (poor onboard video, different audio hardware). And it is still a low-end desktop computer sold at 1000 euro.

PowerMac is for power users and Mac mini for those who want desktop computers without huge case. SAM460 competes in Pegasos G4 class but with higher price and less power.

The SAM platform just isnt suitable for MorphOS.


[ Edited by itix 21.01.2012 - 09:17 ]

These recurring discussions about a MorphOS port to OS4 HW is as pointless as the HW itself. It won't happen, for good reasons. It's been discussed to death time and time again, but some people just don't seem to grasp it...

I'm an X1000 beta tester, and would buy MorphOS for it, in like a heartbeat.

I'm sure at least 20 other people would as well

I really like, and appreciate the Peg2's dual boot ability, I'd love to see it on something faster, but, heck I can understand that given the power/amount/price of Powerbooks, relative to X1000, I can understand why they're not the top priority right now. Bring on the G5 Powermac version of MorphOS, before any Sam/X1000 version.

[ Edited by stephen_robinson 21.01.2012 - 08:40 ]

@stephen_robinson

There is a much higher probability (like a 100%) that the MorphOS Team will rather spend their time and resources towards migrating MorphOS to a different architecture altogether, rather than porting it to OS4 HW, after all the relevant PPC Mac's has been covered!

Discussions about this is as pointless, futile and boring as they ever were, nothing has changed in this regard, and it won't change in the future either...

>I'm an X1000 beta tester, and would buy MorphOS for it, in like a heartbeat.

I'm sure at least 20 other people would as well



Which, in a nut shell, explains why the G5 route makes more sense.

Would the developers like to labor hard to create a port for 20 or so users (of hardware that assures the sale of one copy of OS4) or would they want to work toward supporting a much larger potential base?

Actually the 20 was sorta a joke (okey so it wasn't funny, but...) Actually, I think many, if not most Amiga OS4.1 users are also MorphOS users, it's just the haters, on both sides make the most noise.

As least I hope that's the case.

Mind you, those AROS people can go and get #$?!ed!

> I think many, if not most Amiga OS4.1 users are also MorphOS users

Is this "sorta a joke" again?

itix,
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The thing with Apple hardware is that is it is not new. For my *personal* use that doesn't matter. My used mini just runs fine and was pretty cheap and I am sure I will be similarly satisfied with my soon to purchase Powerbook. But I was actually thinking about using MorphOS for some small commercial product. Not a big thing, but I cannot sell new products containing used non RoHS parts. Still thinking about Efikas, but they are too limited and I guess supply is also drying out.
The Sam460 has its issues, price is only one of them, but still I consider it the sanest ppc hardware since the Pegasos. Plus, Acube always seemed rather open minded, friendly and also grounded to me. I wouldn't rule out Acube products completely.

No.

@Zylesea

Yes and hardware from Acube has been without major issues. As such I wouldnt mind having a choice to have new hardware available. But you never know when they go out of business or decide to discontinue current products... it is just gambling.

I'm guessing the road map is G4 Powerbooks, then G5 iMacs, to G5 Powermacs? Then onto the exciting world of intel?, or Atom CPU based, whatever?

I think the current "road map" for MorphOS will take a year, or two to complete (assuming that the Mac G5 models will be supported).

By the time they are finished with all G4 & G5 Mac models that they wish to support, there will either be some new PPC hardware that looks attractive to the MorphOS Dev. Team, or they may choose to make the switch to x86/64, or ARM architectures.

No need to discuss this further until they announce something worth discussing.

[ Edited by amigadave 21.01.2012 - 14:42 ]

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I admire your optimism!

@boot_wb,

Yeah, I am guilty of that all the time.

Well call me an optimist, but I hope to see a Powerbook version of MorphOS this (2012) year!

>>> I think many, if not most Amiga OS4.1 users are also MorphOS users

>> Is this "sorta a joke" again?

> No.

Then let me tell you that I believe that only a small fraction of the OS4 users are also MorphOS users.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:

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Andreas_Wolf? Belief? Without reference?

Never thought I'd see the day!

Although I could believe that a good 30% of AmigaOS4.x users are potential MorphOS users...

Not such a small fraction imho.

[ Edited by boot_wb 23.01.2012 - 01:10 ]

> Andreas_Wolf? Belief? Without reference? Never thought I'd see the day! :-D

Seems you missed some days during last year alone:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

;-)

> I could believe that a good 30% of AmigaOS4.x users are potential
> MorphOS users... Not such a small fraction imho.

Yes, if we talk about *potential* MorphOS users that may be. But in terms of *actual* MorphOS users, which is what stephen_robinson was talking about, it's certainly less than 10%.

> Then onto the exciting world of intel?, or Atom CPU based, whatever?

Atom is a line of x86(-64) CPUs that lives in the Intel world. The alternative to x86 CPUs that was mentioned by MorphOS Team member Fab is ARM.

@boot_wb,

Being the optimist that I am, I think 90% of all OS4 users are potential MorphOS users.

Actually, my guess about how many OS4 users would actually be interested in trying out MorphOS is closer to 50%, but the other 40% could become interested under the right conditions.

Since I am not yet an OS4 user (waiting for my X1000), I haven't spent as much time around OS4 users to know how many would never consider trying MorphOS. Considering the last 3 years I have observed MorphOS users here on this forum site, I would guess that the number of MorphOS users that would be willing to try out OS4 (even if the price to try it were exactly the same as it is for trying MorphOS), would be much less than 90% and probably less than 50%. More MorphOS users are less interested in sticking with the old ways of how the Amiga Workbench worked and they appreciate the changes that have been made in MorphOS. OS4 users seem to be more interested in keeping their OS closer to the same as the old Workbench was. I am not saying one is right and one is wrong, or one is better than the other, it is just different ideas for different people. Of course my observations may be way off base and incorrect for the majority of users of either system.

I know many Morphos user who use both, and others who say that Morphos is superior to AmigaOS 4.x, so they don't want it. But I know many AmigaOS 4.x users, who really hate Morphos. I think it is something religious.

Update:

>> 1.5 weeks ago A-Eon changed the X1000's official specs from
>> 1.8 GHz to 2.0 GHz.

> 3.5 weeks ago they changed it to "nominal 2.0GHz (1.8GHz standard)".
> http://www.a-eon.com/x1000.html

According to Paul Gentle of Varisys, the 2.0 GHz version of the PA6T was never on general sale (if it exists at all):

"The frequency that was quoted on the PA marketing collateral was never offered as a standard part option."
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwgentle_en.php

Edit: And now also Trevor Dickinson:

"despite the initial annoucement by PA Semi no 2.0 GHz version were ever produced."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35671&forum=34&start=160#665677

"The P.A. Semi CPU was originally designed for up to 2Ghz operation, but the company never manufactured a 2GHz certified version, before being purchased by Apple. So the CPUs on all NEMO boards are officially rated to 1.8GHz."
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?p=24961#p24961

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 30.01.2014 - 18:06 ]

Update:

> "The way in which it will be implemented however is already clearly defined
> and was subject to peer review by other developers. Obstacles to an efficient
> implementation were removed (e.g. the use of Forbid) and replaced in many
> OS components over the years (e.g. DOS).The foundation for SMP support was
> put in place, a clear picture exists what needs to be done to accomplish it and
> how. I'm willing to take a bet that it won't take 2 years ;)"
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34171&forum=33&start=40#627520

Reassuring words half a year later:

"The multicore support design for AmigaOS allows support of all of these features over time starting in AmigaOS 4.2."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35285&forum=17#655578

Interesting. I wonder what they mean by "starting in AmigasOS 4.2".