number6 wrote:
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Actually today Pacer has a bit more as to the recent filing:

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amigadave wrote:
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Is there a free copy of the May 14, 2019 letter available to read anywhere, without having to sign up for, or pay a fee to read it? Or can someone who has seen it just summarize what it says?

I am so hoping that Cloanto does NOT settle this conflict out of court and let Hyperion off the hook. If Hyperion doesn't just concede and pay all the attorney costs, withdraw all copyright and/or trademark filings around the world, and submit a statement agreeing with Cloanto's ownership rights to all Amiga IP, except for AmigaOS4, then I would like to see this go to a jury trial, and find out what a jury thinks of Mr. Hermans behavior in a court of law.

Edit: removed double negative
Edit 2: Actually, I'm hoping that the court will find that Hyperion has indeed violated the 2009 agreement, and such a finding will cause Hyperion to lose all control and rights to AmigaOS4, so that a reasonable person/company can pick up the pieces, and we can see some better development progress in the future.

number6 wrote:
@amigadave

I don't see the letter of May 14, 2019 listed anywhere documents have been uploaded.

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amigadave wrote:
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Any ideas about it's content, has there been anyone who has commented on that letter?

DFergFLA wrote:
In all honesty amigadave. Do you believe anyone would pick up Amiga OS 4 development if Hyperion lost rights? I just don't see it. It is a dead OS, running on outdated, under powered, overly expensive hardware. I think it would be the nail in the coffin for the last of Amiga. To be honest I think MorhphOS will die out sooner rather than later if they don't do the ISA shift sometime soon. PowerPC Apple hardware is now at least 14 years old at best and not getting any younger. Tabor, is stillborn and the x5000 is 2000.00 for something with the performance of an Athlon processor. Even all that said. If Tabor came out I would buy it with OS4. I loved Amiga and I would buy it just so that I could have the "last" of the Amiga. I feel MorphOS is the only hope for the future. I just kind of have doubts about them porting to a new platform anytime before I die.

Why are users still sending money to Hyperion for any products? They are only prolonging the agony of having to deal with Hyperion.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> Soon there should also be Arm desktops.

https://store.avantek.co.uk/arm-desktops.html

DFergFLA wrote:
@amigadave

You make good points. I wish something would happen...soon. I fear that any window of opportunity as already passed for any Amiga like OS. How many, long, long, long years now have MorphOS users been hearing and waiting for the ISA shift? I hear a lot about Arm really being the up and coming platform. I truly hope that MorphOS devs will port it sooner rather than later. We already have Arm laptops and even more coming. Soon there should also be Arm desktops. It would be a sin to just rollover and let MS take it over without any alternative for anyone else. They already stole the x86.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> $10,000, or was it Euros, or English Pounds that Hermans said he lost in a cab

Hermans said this about himself? Wasn't it Dickinson who told this about Hermans?

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>>> 10,000 [...] English Pounds that Hermans said he lost in a cab

>> Hermans said this about himself? Wasn't it Dickinson
>> who told this about Hermans?

> No, I didn't say that Hermans said this himself.

Then I'm apparently worse in understanding written English than I thought
I think there's no reason to doubt the story as a whole, just some ambiguities as to who told whom exactly what and when

amigadave wrote:
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No, I didn't say that Hermans said this himself. But because someone who gave him the money reported that Hermans "told them" that he had lost that much money, I believe the person reporting the story. Why would they have any reason to make up such a character damaging story, and if the story wasn't true, why wouldn't Hermans himself speak up and declare that it was a lie, and never happened? To this date I have not seen any party to the night in question state that the story is false, and it was reported in print incorrectly.

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>>> 10,000 [...] English Pounds that Hermans said he lost in a cab

>> Hermans said this about himself? Wasn't it Dickinson
>> who told this about Hermans?

> No, I didn't say that Hermans said this himself.

Then I'm apparently worse in understanding written English than I thought
I think there's no reason to doubt the story as a whole, just some ambiguities as to who told whom exactly what and when

amigadave wrote:
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Arm already has Android, iOS, AROS, Linux in dozens of flavors, and I'm guessing other Unix variants. I believe a few of those choices already have an equal standing on Arm as MS, or even a greater market share than MS (certainly if you count cell phone devices), so I don't see MS taking over the Arm computing market like they did with Windows on x86, but it will depend on what applications and programs are made available on each OS. This is where MS might gain more market share, if developers think it is easier to code for MS on Arm, than the other major OS choices. AROS, MorphOS, AmigaOS will never be a major player on any architecture, unless a bolt of lightning strikes one of our leading developers and he/she invents the next paradigm of computing, and only writes an Amiga-Like OS for it first, and it is so ground breaking and appealing to programmers, that they leave all other OSes behind in favor of switching to this new paradigm shift. (In other words, it's not going to happen)

As for the MorphOS Dev. Team, I believe that they are well along toward the port to x64, and their work will be amazing. I worry a little that it will take too much time to get great software that runs on MorphOS for x64, if they do not create it with a easy way to port software from other platforms, like Linux, to MorphOS for x64, but they are smart guys and I have confidence in them knowing what to do. I don't mind the silence so much, as they have always been this way, and it seems to have served them well. We all know that devs talking about their work in progress, and then not being able to deliver, can have disastrous results on forum sites, specially with some of the more rabid Amiga users posting complaints.

Regarding porting MorphOS to Arm, I'm all for it, but the team decided to port to x64 first, and I don't disagree with their decision. They opted for the more powerful choice at this point in time, which is probably the wise choice. I hope that later, they can easily port MorphOS for x64 to Arm, after the x64 port is completed and bug fixed.

Apparently number6 thinks that Ben has not responded to dispute the allegation that he lost the money, because of the pending lawsuit, even though the money was from A-Eon, not any Amiga party, or Cloanto, which seems unlikely to me, as that money has nothing to do with any of the lawsuits as far as I can see.

number6 wrote:
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There is still the matter of whether Hyperion remains a business (company) in the eyes of the National Bank of Belgium. In that vein, discussing loans from contractors is probably not in their best interest.

I have yet to see the court comment on this issue that the court expected to be addressed by end of June, 2019. Until they do, it is also not easy to verify the story of a bankruptcy hearing scheduled for September, 2019.

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