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    Spectre660
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    @KennyR

    Way off.
    X1000 uses CFE not U-Boot .
    X1000 sold all machines produced .
    X5000 U-Boot Maintainer still on board.
    2 versions of 2 Drivers .
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR wrote:
    So my take on this sorry affair hasn't changed since a year and a half ago. What I'm guessing happened, beginning quite some time ago:

    1) 2006: Most OS4 developers leave after the court settlement and Hyperion's debts mount and its dirty laundry is first aired
    2) Much later: A-Eon want uboot and OS4 ported to X1000
    3) Hyperion either don't want to or can't do this (i.e. have lost the developers who worked on relevant parts or even own them)
    4) A-Eon bodge OS4 onto X1000 without Hyperion's help, hence terrible loading times
    5) X1000 flops harder than a sealion falling off the Empire State Building, mainly due to costing more than a small 2nd hand family car
    6) Cheaper X5000 comes along and A-Eon find themselves in same situation
    7) Network drivers require information from uboot (at least MAC address, apparently) so A-Eon can't continue
    8) Hyperion pretend they can continue but can't either, and their own driver halts and/or they hold it back so they can (barely) justify a paid update to OS4 as soon as they can start trading again
    9) A-Eon won't wait so contact Olsen1 and Olsen2 to do working drivers by using a different method to extract MAC address
    10) Four copies of the same driver, and everyone is having great fun.

    Am I close?


    I think you meant 2009?
    settlement

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  • Jim
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    Sorry for my part in the obfuscation of Hyperion's issue over "interupts".

    It appears that the issue is one of deriving MAC addresses.
    And I shouldn't have drawn Costel into it.

    No point in driving the OS4 fanatics onto a warpath.

    Mark figured out a solution for the X5000 under MorphOS and shared it.
    Not something that should cause controversy.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > 1) 2006: [...] court settlement

    See comment #138.

    > 2) [...] A-Eon want uboot [...] ported to X1000

    See comment #137.

    > 4) A-Eon bodge OS4 onto X1000 without Hyperion's help

    Implausible. Doesn't make sense.

    > 5) X1000 flops

    See comment #137. I'm sure A-Eon would and could have sold some more X1000, but the availability/pricing of the PA6T really got too bad.

    > 7) Network drivers require information from uboot (at least MAC address,
    > apparently) so A-Eon can't continue

    Implausible, as U-Boot for the X5000 is maintained by A-Eon (see also comment #137).

    > 8) Hyperion pretend they can continue

    Costel says that Hyperion is ready and it's A-Eon's turn now (interrupt issue, maybe board redesign if parts aren't available anymore, board production).

    > [...] as soon as they can start trading again

    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2018-08-00011-EN.html

    > 9) A-Eon [...] contact Olsen1 and Olsen2 to do working drivers by using
    > a different method to extract MAC address

    The MAC address issue is specific to the X5000, so only 1 Olsen required for this.

    > 10) Four copies of the same driver

    See comment #137.

    > Am I close?

    2/10 without objection from my side :-)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Sorry for my part in the obfuscation of Hyperion's issue over "interupts".
    > It appears that the issue is one of deriving MAC addresses.
    > And I shouldn't have drawn Costel into it.

    As far as I understand, the interrupt issue is specific to A1222/Tabor (but not necessarily to any Ethernet driver for A1222/Tabor), whereas the MAC address issue is specific to X5000/Cyrus. And none of these issues is specific to any of Costel's drivers, which are abandoned anyway.
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Sorry for my part in the obfuscation of Hyperion's issue over "interupts".
    > It appears that the issue is one of deriving MAC addresses.
    > And I shouldn't have drawn Costel into it.

    As far as I understand, the interrupt issue is specific to A1222/Tabor (but not necessarily to any Ethernet driver for A1222/Tabor), whereas the MAC address issue is specific to X5000/Cyrus. And none of these issues is specific to any of Costel's drivers, which are abandoned anyway.


    Bingo, unrelated issues, Costel is irrelevant, all just likely to stir up OS4 fanatics like a hornet's nest.
    So, that quote starts starts with "sorry".

    And what doesn't get enough attention is that another piece of software started under MorphOS is released for use by the OS4 base.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Jim wrote:
    And what doesn't get enough attention is that another piece of software started under MorphOS is released for use by the OS4 base.


    At least it is being used ethically, A-Eonkit paying Bigfoot. Unlike in previous times where it is just outright pirated and claimed as original (see fake MUI4).
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Spectre660 wrote:
    @KennyR

    Way off.
    X1000 uses CFE not U-Boot .
    X1000 sold all machines produced .


    They weren't built until they were ordered, so of course they did. They couldn't have not done so. It's more like there were 70 to 280 (depending on who you ask) ever made that made them a flop.

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    X5000 U-Boot Maintainer still on board.
    2 versions of 2 Drivers .


    Appears there are four.

    1) Costel's version (not working)
    2) Version Hyperion paid for from someone else which Costel is now talking about
    3) A-Eon's first version
    4) A-Eon's second version (Bigfoot)
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > another piece of software started under MorphOS is released
    > for use by the OS4 base.

    ...while it's still unreleased for the MorphOS base ;-)
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  • Cocoon
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    amigakit
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    3) A-Eon's first version


    This does not exist.

    In August 2015, A-EON Technology Ltd contracted Hyperion/Mincea to complete the X5000 network driver. Approaching three years later, we had not received any drivers. Due to the delay with this development and our eagerness to deliver a solution for the customers, an interim solution was found. Mark was commissioned to write the driver for OS4 and MorphOS, which he promptly did and presented us with an alpha version then a subsequent beta version. We released the beta version to our internal Amiga Developer beta test team who validated it ready for public release.

    Technically we have paid for another driver from Hyperion which I presume is still being developed, maybe by another developer now on behalf of Hyperion? The most important thing is the end-users (our customers) have a working, high quality driver and do not have to wait any longer.



    [ Edited by amigakit 11.09.2018 - 17:57 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > They weren't built until they were ordered

    I can't remember anyone telling he ordered at AmigaKit and had to wait months for his X1000 until the number of orders matched batch size.

    > there were 70 to 280 (depending on who you ask) ever made

    Trevor said 1st batch alone was 250 boards, 100 of which went to beta testers. And there were several further batches of unknown (probably smaller) size. Maybe you only have clueless people to ask :-P

    >> 2 versions of 2 Drivers

    > Appears there are four.
    > 1) Costel's version (not working)
    > 2) Version Hyperion paid for from someone else which Costel is now talking about
    > 3) A-Eon's first version
    > 4) A-Eon's second version (Bigfoot)

    What's "A-Eon's first version"? I can't remember I read anything on that.
    Including Costel's abandoned set of abandoned drivers it's 3 sets of 2 drivers each. And btw, the A-Eon set of drivers is from bigfoot (X5000/Cyrus) and rwo (A1222/Tabor).
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >> 2) Version Hyperion paid for from someone else [...]

    > Technically we have paid for another driver from Hyperion
    > which I presume is still being developed

    As I'm sure you read, Costel says Hyperion's commissioned drivers are ready.
  • »11.09.18 - 17:01
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 473 from 2008/8/10
    Quote:

    amigakit wrote:
    Quote:

    3) A-Eon's first version


    This does not exist.

    In August 2015, A-EON Technology Ltd contracted Hyperion/Mincea to complete the X5000 network driver. Approaching three years later, we had not received any drivers. Due to the delay with this development and our eagerness to deliver a solution for the customers, an interim solution was found. Mark was commissioned to write the driver for OS4 and MorphOS, which he promptly did and presented us with an alpha version then a subsequent beta version. We released the beta version to our internal Amiga Developer beta test team who validated it ready for public release.

    Technically we have paid for another driver from Hyperion which I presume is still being developed, maybe by another developer now on behalf of Hyperion? The most important thing is the end-users (our customers) have a working, high quality driver and do not have to wait any longer.




    Another?

    Quote:

    A-EON Technology Ltd contracted Costel Mincea of Hyperion Entertainment CVBA to create the SANA network driver for X5000 and A1222 and additionally complete the X1000 driver project.


    Source

    That reads as "2" more. What am I missing here?

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    Yeah, I'm not sure I'm clear on this either.

    Is the driver Aeon is waiting on, the driver they originally contract with Mincea for, or the driver which Mincea now claims is ready (that would appear to have been created by a subcontractor), or for the purpose of fulfilling the contract does the later subsume/replace the earlier?

    Assuming that when Mincea's driver development was discontinued, a sub was hired to fulfill the contract, this is the clearest understanding I can come to from this jumbled description of events.

    That the latest driver (again, supposedly ready) is a substitute for the earlier project.

    And that regardless of Hyperion's position, Aeon wanted to get a driver in the hands of their beta testers NOW and paid for a second (which could, in a weird way, be considered the third).
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Jim wrote:
    Yeah, I'm not sure I'm clear on this either.

    Is the driver Aeon is waiting on, the driver they originally contract with Mincea for, or the driver which Mincea now claims is ready (that would appear to have been created by a subcontractor), or for the purpose of fulfilling the contract does the later subsume/replace the earlier?

    Assuming that when Mincea's driver development was discontinued, a sub was hired to fulfill the contract, this is the clearest understanding I can come to from this jumbled description of events.

    That the latest driver (again, supposedly ready) is a substitute for the earlier project.

    And that regardless of Hyperion's position, Aeon wanted to get a driver in the hands of their beta testers NOW and paid for a second (which could, in a weird way, be considered the third).


    It may be difficult to keep this simple, but I'll give it a go.
    Start with what -was- released with enhancer V1.4:

    A1222 ethernet device v1.2 (added) - Rene
    USBADM8511 device v53.11 (added) - Rene
    X5000 ethernet device v52.6 (added) - Mark/Frank

    Reason: "The most important thing is the end-users (our customers) have a working, high quality driver and do not have to wait any longer."

    2015 (my link) is the talk of contract for 2 of the above and X1000. Forget those from the standpoint of Costel doing them. afaik, the following would describe their reassignment:

    X1000: consider that abandoned until someone says otherwise. It has been plainly admitted that it is low priority for Hyperion.
    A1222 and X5000 were contracted out by Hyperion.

    Ergo, the only question remaining is about these last 2. I know of no status and I've read no posts about them in public. If you have, that would be new information imo.

    @Amigakit

    If I have somehow misrepresented the current situation, please correct me.

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    > Is the driver Aeon is waiting on, the driver they originally contract with Mincea for,
    > or the driver which Mincea now claims is ready

    I guess amigakit was referring to the latter. And I don't think they are really waiting on these drivers now that the Olsens have delivered ;-)
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  • Cocoon
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    amigakit
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    @number6

    Your summary reads OK.

    Quote:

    Ergo, the only question remaining is about these last 2. I know of no status and I've read no posts about them in public. If you have, that would be new information imo.


    We have received no official information from Hyperion on status, progress or any possible release date of these.


    @Andreas_Wolf

    After three years of waiting, I have received a lot of feedback over the last two days from X5000 end-users who seem very pleased with the new driver on the Enhancer Software 1.4 developed by Mark. This driver is the official A-EON driver for the A-EON X5000 hardware.



    [ Edited by amigakit 11.09.2018 - 22:58 ]
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    > I have received a lot of feedback over the last two days from
    > X5000 end-users who seem very pleased with the new driver on
    > the Enhancer Software 1.4 developed by Mark. This driver is
    > the official A-EON driver for the A-EON X5000 hardware.

    Is my assumption correct that Mark reserves the right to release the MorphOS version of the driver as he sees fit?
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    Quote:

    number6 wrote:
    X1000: consider that abandoned until someone says otherwise. It has been plainly admitted that it is low priority for Hyperion.
    A1222 and X5000 were contracted out by Hyperion.
    #6


    I claim this for couple years:No CFE fixes, constant charges for video driver development, no one to pick up and fix x1000.ethernet device, no signs of OS4 "multicore support" aka OS 4.2, prepaid by x1000 users, promised to them in manual while OS 4.1 is "temporary stop gap".

    From OS4 POV:half done, half unusable hardware.

    Quote:

    amigakit wrote:
    @Andreas_Wolf

    After three years of waiting, I have received a lot of feedback over the last two days from X5000 end-users who seem very pleased with the new driver on the Enhancer Software 1.4 developed by Mark. This driver is the official A-EON driver for the A-EON X5000 hardware.




    That is just great, I am eager to hear how was the x1000 users feedback on CFE
    and "our drivers" and Linux support incl. mine (Vojin Vidanovic, probably only user that has terminated 2000+ GBP account at your services)

    [ Edited by vox 12.09.2018 - 07:26 ]
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    > A1222 and X5000 were contracted out by Hyperion. [...] the only question
    > remaining is about these last 2. I know of no status and I've read no posts
    > about them in public. If you have, that would be new information imo.

    May or may not be connected:

    "Ethernet driver development explained including a new framework. (Jamie Krueger)"
    http://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/AmiWest_2018_DevCon
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > A1222 and X5000 were contracted out by Hyperion. [...] the only question
    > remaining is about these last 2. I know of no status and I've read no posts
    > about them in public. If you have, that would be new information imo.

    May or may not be connected:

    "Ethernet driver development explained including a new framework. (Jamie Krueger)"
    http://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/AmiWest_2018_DevCon


    And reference post #97 this thread as well.

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    Don‘t see any connection, just a hint that the boards should be released by May....

    [ Edited by Kronos 24.09.2018 - 14:05 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    If Tabor doesn't get the required driver support then I'm sure Tabor mk.2 will be close on its heels. You can always keep buying new hardware, right?
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    If that came with a non retarded SoC I'm all for it !!!!
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