Hi,

Is there any little bit more fresh MUI tutorial, which could be very helpful in making first steps in development for MOS 2.4?

Thanks,
K

Hi!

I'm a completely new MorphOS user and I've had little contact with the Amiga before, but I'm also looking for development information. So far, I've found this VERY useful guide:

Guide to Amiga compatible programming

If you browse the source it's actually text files. The english version is not finished yet, but the translators seem to be active.

Did you allready look into :
documentation/examples/mui (part of the SDK) ?

These should give you an idea (assuming you allready know a bit about C).

For the Amiga-API it's probraly still best to get an AmigaDeveloper-CD

http://aminet.net/package/dev/mui/mui38dev MUI/Developer/Docs/MUIdev.guide

It's about MUI 3.8.
I think Kokos needs MUI 4 dev guide.

I wrote short MUI example few years ago:

http://www.lehtoranta.net/calculator/

Today I would change some points but it gives an idea how to write simple MUI applications.

Quote:

Basics have not changed since MUI 3. There are more attributes, more methods and more classes in MUI 4 but basics are still the same.

@r-tea

And what? That's exactly what he needs. MUI4 isn't incompatible to MUI 3.8 all out of the sudden, so its rare developer documentation would be void and no longer working.

The dev.guide and the class#? examples are all you need to get started properly with MUI coding. MUI's autodocs are also included in the SDK; and looking to os-include/libraries/mui.h might be useful too.

I know, because I started with exactly this information too and now I wrote quite a bunch MUI based applications and components already (need to count them someday). It's really all you need to get started. You just need to grasp how the subclassing and notification stuff works and then it's easy as stealing Haribos from a baby chimpanzee.

@tokai :

I will never dare to take Haribos from a baby chimpanzee hands. Those litlle beasts are really strong. I have seen a girl being fighted by many little chimps, she landed to the hospital badly hurt.

I do agree MUI is easy to play with but the learning curve can be long... Examples can help to do (and understand) things faster. I know there is some example in the SDK but those examples come from pre 2k era with bad pratice like hook IIRC. It covers the basic at least.

MSDN documentation have most of the time a sample example for every function. Is that bad ? I don't think so.

Programmer are lazy by nature. Don't ask them to write documentation. MUI by itself could be the subject of a 400 pages book.

New V51 intuition functions are lightly documented. Is that enough ? I don't think so. Again, a practical example like we were used to have in RKM can be handfull.

If we want to attract new developpers, extensive & good documentation with examples is a must have IMO.

Quote:

It could be help so much if someone would check my translations of chapter 4 togheter with other involved members, you should write me in mail to help us :)

good place to ask mui-related questions is #mui irc channel on freenode. there is a good chance someone will be there to give advice.

What a pity a MorphOS developer site never took off. If we could just organize (in a wiki, or whatever) the tons of informations scattered all over here and other places...

That could be great! Lots of new mos-under-mac_mini-users are searching for development materials, but it's all scattered over the web, and it looks totally out-of-date.. :(

Yes, where is MDC these days ?

Can't anyone start a wiki ?

Quote:https://morph.zone/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1619

About a wiki, probably not the worst idea. I also struggled on getting information useful for a rather bad programmer. Example code snipplets are really helpful for unexperienced programmers. With Visual Studio's examples I kind of succeeded to write a real app for Win. For Morphos I find it way more difficult to get te required information.

Consider it done:

MorphOS Development Wiki

I could really use some knowledgeable people's help with this!

Enjoy,
IKE

Is there a special process to compiling a MUI example?

I tried several of the examples in the development/examples/mui section of the sdk, with gcc -o outputname programname but all returned errors.

Tried compiling the Hello World found on the Wiki in the previous post but that one didn't work either.

When I try: gcc -o hello MUIHelloWorld.c

I get: MUIHelloWorld.c: In function 'main':
MUIHelloWorld.c:83: error: lvalue required as left operand of assignment

When I try: gcc -o demo MUI-Demo.c
(This is an example source from the SDK installed in System/Development/Examples/MUI)

I get: /t//cclEx0xM.o: In function 'main':
/t//cclEx0xM.o(o.text+0x50f2): undefined reference to 'UntuitionBase'
/t//cclEx0xM.o(o.text+0x50f6): undefined reference to 'UntuitionBase'

Anything to get me jump started would be great. I'll keep reading. I might figure it out...




[ Edited by Fester 16.06.2012 - 07:16 ]

http://library.morph.zone/Magic_User_Interface_Programming

When compiling, do not forget about -noixemul flag.

[ Edited by Krashan 16.06.2012 - 13:24 ]

Woo hoo!

Compiled and ran MUI-demo.c successfully. Thanks!