Too slow internet access under MOS
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    AmigaMancer
    Posts: 265 from 2005/8/25
    Hi. I'm accessing the internet using a plain 56k serial modem and miami (Amiga 1200) and the i/o serial rate is so slow under MOS that makes me switch to AmigaOS every time i want to run a net application.
    I have already discuss this issue in another forum so allow me to paste the relevant posts here.

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    Other person:
    Just remember that Miami runs in 68k emulation and that depends on how fast your PPC is. There are huge difference between 603/160 and 604/233.

    Me:
    I understand what you say, but i don't think that this can explain the slow-down of the serial port i/o under MOS. Perhaps it does, i don't know.
    The fact is that the speed of the downloading gets halved with miami running under MOS. I experience a similar effect under AOS 3.9, when i try to play a movie with a WarpOS player while i download a file. If i try do the same with a 68k player, the downloading speed doesn't get affected much.
    Hmm.. i see a pattern here: Is it possible that the PowerPC CPU mess up the serial port transfers? Could this kind of problems be solved with the addition of a fast, buffered serial port like silver-surfer?

    Other person:
    The fact is that you are using 68k serial.device :) It seems PPC native serial.device is missing from PowerUp cd. Try with this (ripped off from PowerUp 0.4 archive).

    Me:
    I have already tried this device. It makes miami to idle forever at the message "connecting ppp level LCP please wait".

    Other person:
    Ah, that is bad. Then there is not much to do I'm afraid. 68k serial is slow because JIT doesnt work in interrupts and interpretetive emulation on PowerUp cant beat real 68k.

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    I must also add that i get more frequent connection hang-ups under MOS and that in some cases miami is not able to reset the modem forcing me to do a reboot.
    I hope there is a solution to this or that the release date of the MOS native TCP/IP stack is near.
    Amiga 1200 user.
  • »28.08.05 - 18:32
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    AmigaMancer
    Posts: 265 from 2005/8/25
    100 views and not a single answer. No even a comment from a classic ppc user, like "I have a similar setup and i do have/ do not have the same problem with you"...
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  • »29.08.05 - 12:27
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    CLS2086
    Posts: 168 from 2005/8/25
    From: West of PARIS
    Hi,
    did you also try with the "kickstart" image ?
    But the best way is to use ADSL with an Ethernet connection.
    Keep the Faith !
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    Maybe one day a G4 AmigaONE when they will be debugged and without April...
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    DJBase
    Posts: 745 from 2003/4/6
    From: Germany
    Well, the last time i had dialup is now 5 years ago.
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    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
    From: Finland
    Problem is an emulated serial.device driver. Without native serial driver it is impossible to get better speed.
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
  • »29.08.05 - 13:07
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    AmigaMancer
    Posts: 265 from 2005/8/25
    @cls2086
    Yes, but i don't think it matters if you use the "kickstart" or not.

    @itix
    Yes, i know. ;)

    @ All classic users
    Has anyone tried to use successfully the MOS version of the serial.device? (I have v43.6) If yes, with miami or genesis?
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  • »29.08.05 - 14:07
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    Framiga
    Posts: 363 from 2003/7/11
    From: Milan-Italy
    i'm not using dialup anymore but AFAIK there a huge debug traffic over the serial port.

    It could easily bangs with the TCP traffic. Have you tryed to enable ramdebug option?

    IIRC Voodoo uses dialup.
  • »30.06.06 - 10:56
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    AmigaMancer
    Posts: 265 from 2005/8/25
    Oh, hi! This thread was created 1 year ago :-D :-D

    Quote:

    i'm not using dialup anymore but AFAIK there a huge debug traffic over the serial port.
    It could easily bangs with the TCP traffic.

    No, that's not what causing it because as a said:

    Quote:

    I experience a similar effect under AOS 3.9, when i try to play a movie with a WarpOS player while i download a file. If i try do the same with a 68k player, the downloading speed doesn't get affected much.
    Hmm.. i see a pattern here: Is it possible that the PowerPC CPU mess up the serial port transfers?

    There is no serial debug output in Warpos/PowerOS, right? But even if there is it would only occur with buggy sofware.

    Quote:

    Have you tryed to enable ramdebug option?

    Yes.

    Quote:

    IIRC Voodoo uses dialup.

    Not anymore.

    [ Edited by AmigaMancer on 2006/6/30 22:59 ]
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  • »30.06.06 - 20:57
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    CLS2086
    Posts: 168 from 2005/8/25
    From: West of PARIS
    hi,
    for the first time of my life i'm on the net with MOS PUP.
    I'm using the old 68k 8029AS driver !
    Thanks to the mos team !

    /Me using AOL ADSL on a Speedtouch 530, MiamiDx 1.0c, Grex 2 dma,
    8029AS, old Voyager ;-)
    Keep the Faith !
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    Maybe one day a G4 AmigaONE when they will be debugged and without April...
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    VooDoo
    Posts: 189 from 2005/8/24
    Great for you..I love to surf whit MOS is faster than my OS3.9...and last PPC Voyager is great...and very,very fast..only what I need is CSS :( or maybe MOS KHTML port ;)
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