Buying MOS software
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12086 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > you say you want to buy games but haven't stated what hardware you will have.
    > It sounds like a Sam460

    Yes, the one he got from DJNick.

    > but what gfx card? State what gfx card you are targeting so a potential seller knows
    > what may be compatible

    "I would like to prepay MOS and enter alpha test for SAM460ex version with X1550 card."
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=8931&start=117
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12086 from 2003/5/22
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    > Amiga Inc? [...] Andreas and I have just been discussing the processor line they are
    > switching to since about the time the X1000 was introduced.

    Amiga Inc. are switching to any processor line? Huh?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13
    Andreas_Wolf,
    Quote:

    "I would like to prepay MOS and enter alpha test for SAM460ex version with X1550 card."


    Talk about a big question mark of the level of support on release, not just Warp3d but any 3D (or any at all!) at first.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
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    @vox

    If you want native, commercial games (not 68k) I can warmly recommend Robin Hood. It's not just a very fun, well made game but it's also one that works really well on all the hardware I've tested it on (I have never seen it crash). You can still buy it from some Amiga internet stores.
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    Jim
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Amiga Inc? [...] Andreas and I have just been discussing the processor line they are
    > switching to since about the time the X1000 was introduced.

    Amiga Inc. are switching to any processor line? Huh?


    Hey, I really did have a headache (I think VOX may be a carrier for those).
    Corrected that post.

    [ Edited by Jim 05.01.2014 - 20:47 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12086 from 2003/5/22
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    > Talk about a big question mark of the level of support on release, not just Warp3d

    Yes, Warp3D will probably be no option there, unless Wazp3D's wrapper for Warp3D via TinyGL makes a big leap.

    > but any 3D (or any at all!) at first.

    MorphOS for Sam460 is supposed to come with support for X1300. According to Wikipedia, the X1550 is "little more than an X1300 in disguise", so I guess it should work with the same driver.
    And you may have missed this:

    "Drivers for the Radeon R500 family have been written, "2D acceleration" is done, 3D acceleration and overlay would have required another 24-48 hours of love to be displayed in full glory. [...] Basic work has been made on even newer Radeon cards (I think I understood R700) [...]. The plan, however is to complete the drivers of these 2 families for the release of MorphOS for Sam"
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9691&forum=3&start=9
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    Jim
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    Great quote Andreas.
    For anyone that cares to note, I pointed VOX to the R500s while we were still talking.

    And video card support development is moving at a pace that is hard to believe.
    You folks have some neat surprises in store.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12086 from 2003/5/22
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    > Hey, I really did have a headache

    Yes, seems so. Intuition's Amiga Inc. remark was about Kronos, not about you :-)
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    IF I could focus now...
    Anyway, I think I'll go lay back down with a wet cloth on my forehead.

    Oh well, I work for a company I've never dealt with and Red works for McBill?

    I think my head hurts just a little worse...
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    And you may have missed this:


    I've seen it. I think you are completely missing the point of me using caution.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12086 from 2003/5/22
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    > I think you are completely missing the point of me using caution.

    You talked "about a big question mark of the level of support on release, not just Warp3d but any 3D (or any at all!) at first" for the X1550, when the X1300 (and even the entire R500 family), which is basically the same card, is said to be fully supported in 2D and 3D at point of release by one of the developers. You don't seem to have much confidence in them and what they say, then.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > I think you are completely missing the point of me using caution.

    You talked "about a big question mark of the level of support on release, not just Warp3d but any 3D (or any at all!) at first" for the X1550, when the X1300 (and even the entire R500 family), which is basically the same card, is said to be fully supported in 2D and 3D at point of release by one of the developers. You don't seem to have much confidence in them and what they say, then.


    Zoom, right over your head.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Zoom, right over your head.

    Sorry, what's that supposed to mean? Keep in mind that I'm not a native English speaker.
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Zoom, right over your head.

    Sorry, what's that supposed to mean? Keep in mind that I'm not a native English speaker.


    Check your PM :-)
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    Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25
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    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    vox,

    @Intution

    I have every reason not to trust you, even when you come with gifts.
    And topic is software, right?


    Even when people try to be helpful you push them away and insult them. Someone is offering you a free computer and you slag them?

    Anyhow, you say you want to buy games but haven't stated what hardware you will have. It sounds like a Sam460, but what gfx card? State what gfx card you are targeting so a potential seller knows what may be compatible, if there are any potential sellers on Morphzone.


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    • vox
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      Quote:

      redrumloa wrote:
      Andreas_Wolf,
      Quote:

      "I would like to prepay MOS and enter alpha test for SAM460ex version with X1550 card."


      Talk about a big question mark of the level of support on release, not just Warp3d but any 3D (or any at all!) at first.


      Problem is that SAM460 doesnt accept older PCI-E cards and needs PCI slot for SATA.

      Sillicon motion is slower then old cards we used in Blizzard ...
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      vox
      Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25
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      Quote:

      Yasu wrote:
      @vox

      If you want native, commercial games (not 68k) I can warmly recommend Robin Hood. It's not just a very fun, well made game but it's also one that works really well on all the hardware I've tested it on (I have never seen it crash). You can still buy it from some Amiga internet stores.


      I ve seen SOFTWARE TYCOON, FEEBLE FLIES and some more that are MOS compatibile. If webshopping I am targeting shops like Vesalia and Alinea from Germany due to lower Packaging and EURO not USD or GBP.

      Payback I have, does it work nicely? What about PC disk with Quake 2?
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    • Paladin of the Pegasos
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      Intuition
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      Quote:

      vox wrote:
      What about PC disk with Quake 2?



      http://morphos-files.net/download/Quake_II
      http://morphos-files.net/remote/Yamagi_Quake_II

      You might also want to check out:

      http://morphos-files.net/remote/Quake_I
      http://morphos-files.net/remote/FodQuake
      http://morphos-files.net/download/Quake_III

      And my personal favourite:

      http://morphos-files.net/download/Return_to_Castle_Wolfenstein
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      Quote:

      vox wrote:
      Quote:

      redrumloa wrote:
      Andreas_Wolf,
      Quote:

      "I would like to prepay MOS and enter alpha test for SAM460ex version with X1550 card."


      Talk about a big question mark of the level of support on release, not just Warp3d but any 3D (or any at all!) at first.


      Problem is that SAM460 doesnt accept older PCI-E cards and needs PCI slot for SATA.

      Sillicon motion is slower then old cards we used in Blizzard ...




      I was not aware of that problem.
      And yes, Silicon image SATA controllers are a little slow.
      And the faster Promise cards recently support, being PCI, will have their application limited to older systems moving forward.

      But, why not look at a Promise controller?
      Once the SAM460 is supported, they ought to work.
      "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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      Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25
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      Quote:

      Intuition wrote:
      Quote:

      vox wrote:
      What about PC disk with Quake 2?



      And my personal favourite:

      http://morphos-files.net/download/Return_to_Castle_Wolfenstein


      Thanks INTUITION :-) (ah we do have fanous screen dragging? :-)

      Its my favourite so much I have disliked the recent reboot as not horror enough.

      Pssst ... and one of minor reasons of my transition :-)
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      Why do I start thinking about Aladdin 4d when I hear the word "transition"?
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    • Paladin of the Pegasos
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      Yasu
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      @vox

      They are good shops. I've used them before. And Robin Hood is a damn fine game. You can download and test the MorphOS demo version here: http://jpv.wmhost.com/files/robin_demo.lha
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      Intuition
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      Quote:

      vox wrote:(ah we do have fanous screen dragging?


      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3NL_RL5Hms

      Get it from here: http://amigazeux.org/get=71
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    • Yokemate of Keyboards
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      Andreas_Wolf
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      >> Sillicon motion is slower then old cards we used in Blizzard

      > yes, Silicon image SATA controllers are a little slow.

      He's talking about the SM502 audio/graphics chip here, not about SATA.
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      > Payback I have, does it work nicely?

      See there:
      https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8545&forum=10
      https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9591&forum=10
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