Sorry, I thought I ought to secure my G5 before selling the Sonnet upgrade

1.8 Ghz 7447 upgrade for Powermac models:

Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics)
Power Mac G4 (Gigabit Ethernet)
Power Mac G4 (Digital Audio)
Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver 2001)
Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver 2002)

Will re-post once I've obtained a G5

[ Edited by Jim on 2011/3/5 15:29 ]

[ Edited by Jim on 2011/3/6 2:15 ]

[ Edited by Jim on 2011/3/6 2:24 ]

I am surprised to see you selling this, do you have more than one of them and are keeping one for yourself, or have you decided that you are satisfied to wait with a slower G4 PowerMac until support for the G5 is released (which may take a very long time to be released)?

I don't own a G4 PowerMac model that is compatible with this accelerator, but it should be desirable to many MorphOS2.x users that have slower PMacs (like the one Red is selling).

Is it a dual G4, or single G4 accelerator?

Good luck, I am sure you will find a buyer for it.

[ Edited by amigadave on 2011/3/5 16:40 ]

[ Edited by amigadave on 2011/3/5 16:41 ]

Changed my mind Dave. I'll re-post this once I have the G5.
Then I'll down grade my G4 to 933 Mhz and have a G5 waiting for eventual use.

[ Edited by Jim on 2011/3/6 2:17 ]

I guess you will be satisfied with the performance of a 933MHz G4 running MorphOS, but don't you think that the prices for G5 PowerMacs will be even lower in a few months to a year when support for the G5 is released? What if there is some problem with the proposed port to the G5 and it doesn't arrive until a year or more from now, or it never gets finished? You might want to have that 1.8GHz G4 back then.

Edit: Just trying to keep you from making a mistake, as I have been keeping my eye on G5 prices ever since the first demonstration of MorphOS was shown booting on one last year and the prices keep falling at a fairly fast rate. Almost no Mac users want PPC anymore and soon they will be giving them away, or throwing them in the trash.

MorphOS users have a virtually unlimited supply of G4 (and some day G5) used systems for the next 5 to 10 years, depending on how long these old PPC Macs keep running.

[ Edited by amigadave on 2011/3/5 18:28 ]

Yes, you've pretty much convinced me to wait. I already have an R400 video card waiting for drivers. And you're right G5s are likely to continue to go down in price.

I'll re-post the 1.8 upgrade later.

There is no imminent G5 MorphOS release around, it's not even sure if we ever release G5 support yet.
Even if this machines will be given away for free soon or are thrown into the trash for whatever reason, it won't make it any simpler to support all aspects of this machines. We are already quite busy to properly handle all the currently supported models, there are no plans to expand the hardware base beyond G4 CPUs soon, definitely not with the next update of MorphOS.

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Just as I expected.

I appreciate all the work that has been done and continues to be done to improve the support for the models that are already supported and only have hopes that the support of G4 PowerBook models will be finished some time before the end of this year.

I hope that all other MorphOS users will be patient and realize that although this is a commercial OS, it is developed by a very small group of talented programmers, not a large company, and they should keep their expectations for future releases in line with those facts.

Enjoy what we have now! The best Amiga system available at this point in time, running on the fastest equipment for the money you can buy to run any full featured Amiga-Like OS (until AROS catches up with MorphOS some time in the next few years and you can run it on any cheap & fast x86 system).

I do hope that the MorphOS Dev Team will eventually support the G5 PowerMac and iMac, but I think they are doing the right thing by completing their work on the models already supported and support for the G4 PowerBook first, before moving on to support for the G5 models.

@pega-1:
I think it's a good attitude of you and the team to manage a proper support for all currently supported models, it's a good sign that you don't want to go the "AROS way" of supporting all a little bit...
Would be cool if you could manage SATA support in Powermacs soon.

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That would be a nice feature, to support one or more SATA PCI cards, but currently none of the supported MorphOS systems uses SATA as original equipment, so it would be a third party add-on SATA card being used. Of course SATA support will be a must have to support the G5 PowerMacs (& iMacs too I think), as that is the controller that they use for hard drives.

For me (and I think several other MorphOS users), support for the G4 PowerBook is a higher priority than having SATA support. Also, wireless support for Apple's Airport cards in all of the already supported Mac models would be a great addition, though I know the team has repeatedly stated that they are not yet working on any wireless support and that it is a long and difficult bit of work to complete wireless support, specially for Apple's Airport products.

> until [...] you can run it on any cheap & fast x86 system

I don't think that will ever happen to AROS, basically for a similar reason MorphOS probably won't ever run on any PPC Mac.

> Would be cool if you could manage SATA support in Powermacs soon.

According to what was said in Bad Bramstedt this depends on whether MorphOS 2.8 comes "soon".

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7464&forum=11&post_id=78798#78798

I don't know if that plan has changed, though.

> For me (and I think several other MorphOS users), support for the
> G4 PowerBook is a higher priority than having SATA support.

Nonetheless, SATA support was said to be scheduled for an earlier release than PowerBook support by the MorphOS Team (see my reply to analogkid).

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That's disappointing. I wonder why G5 screenshot "teasers" were released. I thought the fact that screenshots were shown meant that a G5 version was imminent.

(not really a "teaser" then... more of a "punch to the groin")

[ Edited by ME on 2011/3/6 22:45 ]

[ Edited by ME on 2011/3/6 22:46 ]

@amigadave, Andreas_Wolf:

I'm not sure if SATA support on Powermacs qualifies as a bugfix or added feature, since SATA cards are already supported in Pegasos boards. And at the moment it is supported, IMHO it doesn't matter anymore if it's 3rd-party or not. It surely doesn't matter for an upcoming Powerbook support.

> I'm not sure if SATA support on Powermacs qualifies as a bugfix
> or added feature, since SATA cards are already supported in
> Pegasos boards. And at the moment it is supported

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. As of MorphOS 2.7, SATA or SCSI cards are not supported in PowerMac G4, thus support for it in MorphOS 2.8 would clearly be an added feature compared to what we have now.

> IMHO it doesn't matter anymore if it's 3rd-party or not.

Yes, absolutely.

> It surely doesn't matter for an upcoming Powerbook support.

Yes, no objection from my side here.

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AROS does run on any cheap & fast x86 system. If you use the hosted/Linux version. Running on top of another kernel can have some big advantages. You could in theory extend things in such way to have mem protection and multiple core support by running multiple copies (maybe even a hundred) of the hosted OS at the same time.

> AROS does run on any cheap & fast x86 system. If you use the hosted/Linux version.

Yes, I know, but amigadave and me were referring to the non-hosted version. Nonetheless, thanks for your remark.