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Wow!
And OS4 looks even worse to me.
They don't support the most powerful members of the R200 family cards.

Edit: Oh VOX, if you are ever in doubt of a fact.
Die Master-Indexer, Andreas Wolf, Ihre wichtigste Ressource.

[ Edited by Jim 06.01.2014 - 14:35 ]

> is Envy24 supported under MOS [...] and would MOS read it in PCI-E slot

There is a MorphOS driver for Envy24HT:

http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers_mos/

But I don't know if PCIe cards are supported by this.

@Jim

I think only the Radeon 9250 is fully supported in AOS4.

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Well as there is virtually no difference between the 9000, 9200, and 9250 from a driver's perspective, I'd have to question that.

To be pedantic, sofar there is only 1 Radeon driver for all cards supporting 1 at a time
So in setup with a pcie radeonHD and pci radeon 9250 it would really depend on which card gets inittialized first. Only that card would be useable under MorphOS.

@Jim

All I know is that they offer that card in the X1000 so they can play 3D games. And from what I've read, the other cards are either not fully supported or lack 3D. Or both.

[ Edited by Yasu 06.01.2014 - 16:10 ]

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Isn't that odd?
They seriously downgrade the video card to support 3D.

@Jim

Not really. I think it was one of the first card that they worked with, back in the old days before even the SAM.

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Can you please check, its vital info for me and many other MOS users.

Maybe SB 5.1 PCI is better card, but would it work with some PCI to PCI-E x1 converter>?

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There are no machines with PCI-Express that MorphOS works on so how can there be "many other MOS users" for whom this knowledge is "vital"?

>>>>> it doesnt work on X1000 even with Wazp3D

>>>> Payback should work on OS4/X1000 with a PCI Radeon 92x0 card.

>>> Yeah yeah and I shoul lift Radeon 6870 out to insert that crap that I cant find

>> Inserting a PCI Radeon in Nemo doesn't require lifting the PCIe Radeon.

> sofar there is only 1 Radeon driver for all cards supporting 1 at a time
> So in setup with a pcie radeonHD and pci radeon 9250 it would really depend on
> which card gets inittialized first. Only that card would be useable under MorphOS.

AFAIK, there is no MorphOS for Nemo/X1000. And even if there was, this sub-discussion has been about OS4 anyway.

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Back on topic does SHOGO and HERETIC II work on MOS?

Any recommended games and apps, preferably native (I am speaking of khm
commercial games, I will rip off Aminet anyway :)

Which old games work so I can securely buy them (QUAKE I CLickBoom, NAPALM, NIGHTLONG and those CD class games I am interested in)

Surely I will buy what Vesalia says that work.

I have Hoolywood 5.2 (will update to 5.3) but will it work under MOS?

@ VOX

Napalm does run on Morphos but there are a some gfx problems. For example if a vehicle drives behind
a building then you can see grafic faults. You need a few fixes and updates. At the beginning of the game
there comes a console message, leave it open and switch back to the game. Loading window looks
like a stairway.
(this updates have not been written for Morphos but for OS4) Take a look here:
http://morphos.npage.de/napalm-mos-installer.html

If thats no problem for you - than I can recommend the game on Morphos.

greets

>>> I think only the Radeon 9250 is fully supported in AOS4.

>> as there is virtually no difference between the 9000, 9200, and 9250 from a
>> driver's perspective, I'd have to question that.

> from what I've read, the other cards are either not fully supported or lack 3D. Or both.

Then you read it wrong. Beside the 9250, Radeon graphics cards supported in both 2D and 3D on OS4 are 9000 and 9200 (as Jim said) as well as 7000, 7200 and 7500.

@Andreas_Wolf

Huh! I guess I was wrong then

> Isn't that odd? They seriously downgrade the video card to support 3D.

What I find odd is that you call inserting an additional lower-end graphics card that's used to run certain games while the main desktop and all other software still run on the higher-end graphics card a "downgrade".

> I think it was one of the first card that they worked with, back in the old days
> before even the SAM.

This must have been the not-so-old days then, given that the 9250 was released only in July 2004 ;-) Some news items from the old days:

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2003-10-00129-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2003-10-00131-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2004-02-00079-EN.html

So you can see that the first Radeon they worked with was the first Radeon there was, i.e. the 7000. This is also what's used on the Micro-A1. What followed were the 7200 and the 7500 and then the 9000/M9 (as used on the Sam440ep) and the 9200.
And before Radeon, they worked with Voodoo and Permedia 2 cards btw.

>> There is a MorphOS driver for Envy24HT:
>> http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers_mos/
>> But I don't know if PCIe cards are supported by this.

> Can you please check

Sorry, no MorphOS computer with PCIe here ;-)

> does SHOGO and HERETIC II work on MOS?

Shogo:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8686&forum=10

Heretic II:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6177&forum=10&start=6

> Any recommended games [...], preferably native

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8432&forum=10

> Which old games work so I can securely buy them ([...] NIGHTLONG [...])

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6594&forum=10

> I have Hoolywood 5.2 (will update to 5.3) but will it work under MOS?

"The following platform architectures are currently supported by Hollywood:
[...]
MorphOS (ppc)
[...]"
http://www.hollywood-mal.com

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Isn't 2004 pretty early when it comes to AOS 4?

> Isn't 2004 pretty early when it comes to AOS 4?

Yes, 2004 saw the first public release of OS4. But it had already been in development some years before with internal drivers, so pre-9250 Radeon, Voodoo and Permedia 2 cards is what "they worked with" during that time. Besides, the earliest official mention of the 9250 in OS4 context I could find is this from 2006 about the 5th public OS4 release:

http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&id=71

At least 7x00 cards had been worked with before that.

@Andreas_Wolf

Did they have 3D support back then?

> Did they have 3D support back then?

They had Warp3D support for Permedia 2 and Voodoo 3 cards in November 2003, but it didn't make it into the first three public OS4 releases:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2025&forum=14#24045
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4986&forum=14#64958

The 4th public OS4 release from June 2005 "contains Warp3D V51, the all new, OS4-native version of the classic 3D hardware driver system. This release includes completely re-written drivers for the Voodoo 3 (Avenger), Voodoo 4/5 (Napalm) and the Radeon 7x00 series of graphics cards".

http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&id=75&limitstart=1

Yet another lesson learned

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Which makes it all the stranger that they would jump from the Radeon 7500 to the 9000.
The 8500 has quite an advantage over the 9000, and we are now finding a few FireGL 8800 cards with even faster 8500 based gpus.
If I was to revisit this under MorphoS, the FGL 8800 would be something I'd look for (although Pega-1 tells me I would have to add the card id to the driver).