Who'll write a TinyGl driver for my PB's R300?
I'll pay £1000 or even more - I need it to challenge Bigfoot at QW!

> Who'll write a TinyGl driver for my PB's R300?

I've been under the impression that the guys mentioned on the site linked there are doing it:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=8731&start=19

Is that not the case?

> I'll pay £1000 or even more

There's a PayPal button on that site.

I emailed but no reply yet :o(

Rather than a random paypal donation I was hoping for "here is £x for delivery by x date" to be released as part of the os for all, no strings attached of course.
I`m willing to pay the genuine cost not just a few hundred euro...

> I emailed but no reply yet :o(

Bigfoot is one of the 4 guys listed on the site. And he seems to be the owner of the PayPal account as well.

Well, it was promised that the radeon r300 TinyGL 3D driver will be delivered by the usual suspects. This will be most likely Mark 'bigfoot' Olsen , Michal 'kiero' Wozniak and probably me (Nicolas mostly worked on the warp3d emulation layer in the past). It will of course be integrated into a future MorphOS update.
While any of us would appreciate a kind donation (the 3d.morphos-team.net paypal account is linked to bigfoot btw) to show support for our work, money is definitely not the driving force behind all this.
All the work that is done for MorphOS nowadays is basically restricted/limited by real life, family, real jobs and other stuff that distracts from demanding projects like MorphOS is ....
All the income that is generated by MorphOS registrations is mostly to keep the infrastructure running and protect the project progress for the foreseeable future - noone is making a living of this - just in case anyone wondered ....

Wow!
This has all been covered before.
Send in the money Fraggle.
But Frank promised this awhile ago, and I'm sure it will eventually happen.

That's why I'm currently using a Radeon 9800XT 256MB video card.

But Mark, Michal, and Frank do have lives outside MorphOS.

We always get what we'e promised, so patience my friend, patience.

So if I paypal say...2000 euro, can I reasonably expect a TinyGL driver (up to morphos standard of quality) for my R300 PB within say...three months.
No contracts or anything but I`d like Bigfoot and friends to promise me in this thread at least...

Uauh! :-O 2000Euro is a good effort and surely deserves a concrete answer.

Well at the current growth rate of MorphOS licenses (about 1 per day), that should mean about 18 days of normal 111 EUR registrations. Or say about a month, to cover the cheaper licenses as well. Months come, months go. Occasionally there is a new MorphOS release, with new features and sometimes new drivers for new hardware.

I don't think pega-1 is lying when he say that money isn't what makes MorphOS go forward, but while nobody is making a living out of MorphOS development, it still is a commercial project (albeit on a hobby level). MorphOS is not free, it consists of IP that is owned, and licenses that are sold for money to end-users. I don't know how "donations" and charity fits in there?

Of course I believe nobody would be sad to split some free €2,000 three-ways (who say no to free money?), and it might indeed be some encouragement (although I doubt it would be enough to shift working 100% on R300 drivers instead of the normal daytime job), so why not, go ahead if you have an excess of money lying around! Very generous!

But I am quite confident that the R300 drivers will get here anyway, to the joy and benefit of all paying MorphOS customers, and maybe a better way to use €2,000 would be to buy some Mac Mini's with MorphOS licenses and donate them to Amiga developers that currently lacks a MorphOS system (like people in the AROS and/or OS4 communities that has some interest project going)? The MorphOS team would sell a few more licenses (money in, but as payment for products instead of charity) and the platform could potentially gain some "human resources" at the same time, if you know what I mean...

No problem but I just want TinyGL on my R300 PB - I just want one of the devs to say "yes 2000 euro in the paypal will make this happen" before I send the cash money.

I think Pega-1 was pretty clear when sayig money is not the driving force. Imagine you have a normal job & family. If one offers you some 2000 EUR could you just pause your normal job for a while? You may send you family on holiday for that money for a while leaving you home alone but then again that doesn't sound too motivating.
I guess unless really serious money comes in (that serious, MorphOS could be done for a living) extra cash will not change too much and MorphOS development is done during spare time only.

Zylesea,
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It's still a nice gesture. Maybe it could put priority of R300 driver over say iBook support?

Dunno, probably not, just thinking.

[ Edited by redrumloa 07.09.2012 - 16:18 ]

pega-1 Wrote:,
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Having read this forum for the past 4+ years, I understood all of the above to be true before you re-stated it. But I sometimes wonder if a voluntary monthly donation from as many users of MorphOS3.1 who wish to participate in such a way, could perhaps pay for a currently out of work MorphOS programmer, to work on MorphOS3.x full time. If enough users chose to participate in donating money each month toward maintaining MorphOS3.x, maybe there would be enough money raised each month to pay for more than one full time programmer? There might not be any MorphOS3.x programmers who are out of work at this time, but there might be one or two who hate their current jobs, who would be interested in working on MorphOS3.x full time, instead of keeping their current regular job(s), and would consider working on MorphOS3.x full time with pay, while he/they look for a better job(s). Not everyone likes there current jobs and someone might be interested in working full time on MorphOS3.x, instead of what they are currently doing. Even if it was only for 3 to 6 months, until that one developer found a better job and could no longer work full time on MorphOS3.x, how much could be completed during those 3 to 6 months? How much could be accomplished if a 2nd MorphOS Developer took advantage of this idea after the 1st programmer went back to a regular job and we got another 3 to 6 months of full time work on the next version of MorphOS3.x? I would hope that such an idea would be very productive, as I am sure programming could be more efficient when done several hours at once, instead of programmers working 1 to 3 hours of their spare time and then having to stop for "Real Life" and come back to what they were working on a day or two later.


Maybe this is a crazy and far fetched idea, but it would be great if we had one or more full time MorphOS Developers working on completing new features for MorphOS3.x. I would be willing to donate money monthly to this idea, IF there were any MorphOS Developers who were interested in taking advantage of this idea, AND there are enough other MorphOS3.x users who would also donate money each month to raise enough to pay the monthly expenses of one or more MorphOS Developers.

Yeah, crazy me. Always coming up with stupid ideas to support MorphOS3.x.


[ Edited by amigadave 07.09.2012 - 13:47 ]

Well Bigfoot seems keen so it looks like it should/could happen.
We`ll see...

Fraggle you DO know who Pega1 is right? You are getting the words from the horses mouth as it were.

The thing is kiero and bigfoot both have real world programming jobs (as does Frank aka pega1) and i'm sure they are working on r300 drivers slowly. They probably even have an alpha driver that works. But one thing they hate is release things that are bugged..

so 2 more weeks.

The HaikuOS project uses donations to pay an hourly rate to qualified developers to focus on particular aspects of it.

Just out of curiousity, if there were a general OS development bounty to provide one or more MorphOS developers with a number of weeks of part time or full time work, what would be a reasonable hourly rate?

magnetic,
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You're closer to home then you realize Mag.
Yeah, Frank's mentioned some neat prelimnary work on a couple of things.
But I'm not going to tell al you about it becuse then you'll be bugging him about that stuff.

Let it be guys. Up till now they were focusing on optimizing the R200 drivers.
Notice the recent fps improvements?

R300 3D will happen.

Could be worse. We could be OS4 users paying for Radeon HD drivers that only support 2D.

Guys

I highly doubt these developers would give up their good day jobs as programmers to work for bounties or whatever. Re read Pega1's post. So lets not waste time talking about this. It will come, they promised it and we have never yet been let down by their promises. Its just time. I know kiero and bigfoot are almost out of the scene and both are busy.

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amigadave,

could perhaps pay for a currently out of work MorphOS programmer, to work on MorphOS3.x full time.

I doubt if any MorphOS team member can be out of work for any longer period of time. Most of them are skilled IT specialists. I bet they are also well paid, so convincing any of them to work for MorphOS full time may be expensive .

For people having families and children relying on some voluntary donations as the base for family budget is a bit dangerous. At least this is how I see it. But then I also like my work . On the other hand it may work for someone being single and having stabilized financial condition.

Now I can only speak for myself, which is off topic, as I cannot provide 3D driver for R300 . For me bounty model works best. My main job is not well paid, especially comparing to Western Europe or USA standards. I do not complain however, because I like it and it gives me some stable base. It also gives me lots of time and opportunities to earn more. Then I won't leave it, but a bounty may have significant impact on priorities of my other paid occupations. It is clearly visible on Reggae media saving API bounty, which I've almost completed (I only need to do some polishing of Zormanita application and write detailed explanation of its source code). While doing the bounty I could skip some other jobs (mostly boring IT work). Then I plan to start next bounty soon. It will be full support of FLAC format in Reggae.

@Krashan,
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My idea is only for programmers who don't like their current job and could survive a few weeks to a few months on donations from 100 to 200 MorphOS users willing to donate a small amount to a programmer to get some full time MorphOS programming done. Chances are no one will ever want to take advantage of this idea, as they would rather work at a job they hate, than take a chance on donations to pay their rent and buy food. Or, even if there were a programmer that wanted to take advantage of this idea, maybe we couldn't find enough MorphOS users who would agree to donate $10, $20, $50 per month, to add up to enough money to support a full time programmer.

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My idea could be put into a bounty where money could accumulate like a bank savings account. Then if any MorphOS programmers were between jobs, they could use the money in the bounty to survive while coding full time on MorphOS and looking for a new job.

Probably none of this is practical and can't be done. It was just an idea that I expressed to see if anyone else had any other ideas about funding full time MorphOS development. Like thinking out loud.

The MorphOS community is probably too small to fund even one full time programmer, but I wish that were not true. A full time programmer could probably shorten the time between the release of new features and versions. I am not thinking of just the R300 driver, so I should have put this into a separate thread.

redrumloa,
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The problem with that is, the people working on iBook support and R300 support might be mostly separate groups. I don't think you can switch "yet another bigfoot / kiero" from elsewhere to work on 3D drivers

Don`t be such a bunch of negative sad-sacks, this ain`t Amigaworld you know :o) I was just throwing the offer out there!

That's cool Fraggle.
But I'd rather just let Frank handle it.
I know he's got a plan.

Don`t worry, Frank`s in the loop x