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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    GK_LKA
    Posts: 481 from 2004/3/28
    From: Hungary
    Hm, what do you mean on "normal speed"? Can you post some video maybe? :)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    marcik
    Posts: 268 from 2003/4/12
    From: Kielce/Krakow,...
    Sorry, I don't plan to post any more screenshots or videos. Next thing that i'm going to upload and give a link to you all will be a beta :-)
  • »23.09.06 - 18:48
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    GK_LKA
    Posts: 481 from 2004/3/28
    From: Hungary
    Well, a working beta version is much better than any video or screenshot :D

    Good work :)
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  • »23.09.06 - 19:11
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  • Butterfly
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    AKiLL
    Posts: 93 from 2006/3/6
    From: Naples, Italy
    Quote:


    marcik wrote:
    Sorry, I don't plan to post any more screenshots or videos. Next thing that i'm going to upload and give a link to you all will be a beta :-)


    Great!
    Hoping the beta will be available as soon...
    I'm looking forward to test it. :-)
    Go on, marcik!
  • »23.09.06 - 19:26
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    SoundSquare
    Posts: 1214 from 2004/12/1
    From: Paris, France
    Quote:

    Sorry, I don't plan to post any more screenshots or videos. Next thing that i'm going to upload and give a link to you all will be a beta


    fair enough.
    it's gonna be holy day for the MorphOS community, and a glorious one for you.
  • »23.09.06 - 19:37
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    guruman
    Posts: 461 from 2003/7/21
    @marcik
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    Sadly that version didn't make to Pianeta Amiga and veeeerly-slow version was showed there (or wasn't show if they didn't recived my email

    Even more sadly, network didn't work for the whole day in the main hall... in the afternoon organizers fall back to a single 56k line connected to a laptop in the entrance, and only a few minutes before the IRC conference with the Friedens they got wireless working near the entrance. But then 5pm had already passed and most people were on their way home. So, sadly, only very little of Sputnik was shown (although it was run often, since many people were interested in it - and with a reason!).
    Thank you again for all your support and for your efforts. When the Peg is connected to a network Sputnik is really enjoyable!

    Kind regards,
    Andrea
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    Raf_MegaByte
    Posts: 430 from 2004/10/10
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    guruman wrote:
    @marcik
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    Sadly that version didn't make to Pianeta Amiga and veeeerly-slow version was showed there (or wasn't show if they didn't recived my email

    Even more sadly, network didn't work for the whole day in the main hall... in the afternoon organizers fall back to a single 56k line connected to a laptop in the entrance, and only a few minutes before the IRC conference with the Friedens they got wireless working near the entrance. But then 5pm had already passed and most people were on their way home. So, sadly, only very little of Sputnik was shown (although it was run often, since many people were interested in it - and with a reason!).
    Thank you again for all your support and for your efforts. When the Peg is connected to a network Sputnik is really enjoyable!

    Kind regards,
    Andrea


    And i must apologize I could not be present at the show and help Andrea showing a second Pegasos machine...

    This was the first Pianeta Amiga with minimum presence of Pegasos...

    I was so sad for not being there, and i even not downloaded demo from Marcik because I couldn't attend my duty.

    But Marcik was so kind allowing me however to download it, so I will do it, when I finish fixing my brother's PC and will have good response from VETs about one of my kitties.


    BTW Andrea? I just read you were capable to link your Pegasos for some time on broadband wireless in the hall entrance?

    It has been told to me that saturday it was not functioning the wifi connection...

    And sunday you are not anymore present at the exhibit...

    Can you tell us more about your experience?
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  • »26.09.06 - 14:22
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    guruman
    Posts: 461 from 2003/7/21
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    Raf_MegaByte wrote:
    And i must apologize I could not be present at the show and help Andrea showing a second Pegasos machine...

    This was the first Pianeta Amiga with minimum presence of Pegasos...

    Not quite. Until the 2001 edition (the 5th edition) there were no Pegasos at all. :-P So it makes 4 editions with less Pegasos than this year. In 2001 there was a Teron board running for the first time in public MorphOS 0.x.
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    BTW Andrea? I just read you were capable to link your Pegasos for some time on broadband wireless in the hall entrance?

    It has been told to me that saturday it was not functioning the wifi connection...

    Right. No connection in the main hall, and the connection started working in the entrance hall after 5pm (the show was going to close at 6pm). So I wasn't able to connect to broadband (or to analog 56k, if that matters). The table in the entrance hall was full of laptops of people attending the IRC conference anyway...
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    And sunday you are not anymore present at the exhibit...

    If I knew a bit earlier that Miky060, Dr.Morbius and Omar were coming and would have spent the night in Empoli, I might have thought about it. Staying for 2 days more or less "alone" wasn't tempting ;-)
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    Can you tell us more about your experience?

    This is not the right thread, I'm afraid. If someone is interested I can say I had also MOSPaint on display, and the usual softwares the MorphOS users know very well. I guess a recent version of OS4Emu made quite an impression... Had a nice time chatting with some MorphZone users and so on.
    Some pics I took here.

    Back to the topic, as I already said, once the Pegasos is connected to the net, Sputnik is really performing nicely. Hope you all can test it soon(ish), after all marcik said we're not far off from a first public release.

    Kind regards,
    Andrea

    [ Edited by guruman on 2006/9/27 17:07 ]
  • »27.09.06 - 13:56
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    ironfist
    Posts: 254 from 2004/4/22
    From: Pegasos.org
    I have the feeling about 1000 USD will be added to this
    bounty within a week after the first public beta is out!
  • »28.09.06 - 06:25
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
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    How about Macromedia/Shockwave Flash? Any chance in this front?
    By the way... Is "Shockwave" the same as "Macromedia"?
  • »03.10.06 - 08:01
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1396 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
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    How about Macromedia/Shockwave Flash? Any chance in this front? By the way... Is "Shockwave" the same as "Macromedia"?


    Macromedia is the name of the company who created the "Flash" and "Shockwave" browser plugins. It was aquired by Adobe recently, hence the name "Macromedia Flash" was changed to "Adobe Flash."

    In order to understand the difference between Flash and Shockwave, I recommend to visit this web page.
  • »03.10.06 - 09:29
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    marcik
    Posts: 268 from 2003/4/12
    From: Kielce/Krakow,...
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    How about Macromedia/Shockwave Flash? Any chance in this front?


    Show me upto date (flash v4 or v5 doesn't count as upto date) flash plugin with a sane license, and then we can talk about it :-)
  • »03.10.06 - 12:08
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    Butterfly
    Posts: 65 from 2003/2/10
    From: France (Agen 47)
    Maybe this one ?

    Gnash

    ... put I don't know if you considere GPL to be a sane licence :-p
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    scf
    Posts: 54 from 2003/6/3
    From: Ukraine
    Last time some ppl tried it didnt work at all.
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    marcik
    Posts: 268 from 2003/4/12
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    ... put I don't know if you considere GPL to be a sane licence :-p


    Hmm, let me think.... No? ;-)
  • »03.10.06 - 14:46
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Crumb
    Posts: 736 from 2003/2/24
    From: aGaS & CUAZ Al...
    @Marcik

    You could create a plug-in interface so people can compile a Flash Plug-in based on GPL code.

    As it will be a Plug-in and it won't be bundled with your product, Sputnik won't be affected by GPL virus
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    marcik
    Posts: 268 from 2003/4/12
    From: Kielce/Krakow,...
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    You could create a plug-in interface so people can compile a Flash Plug-in based on GPL code.

    As it will be a Plug-in and it won't be bundled with your product, Sputnik won't be affected by GPL virus


    Playing with GPL is always dangerous (and i'm not 100% sure that what you're saying is legal) so don't expect me to do it. But, plugins, by it's definitions, are written mostly by a third party, so once i'll make plugin-api available one could do it. Just don't expect me to touch any GPL code.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Crumb
    Posts: 736 from 2003/2/24
    From: aGaS & CUAZ Al...
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    But, plugins, by it's definitions, are written mostly by a third party, so once i'll make plugin-api available one could do it. Just don't expect me to touch any GPL code.


    Yeah, as long as you write a plug-in interface it could be done by anyone :-)
  • »05.10.06 - 09:03
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    CISC
    Posts: 619 from 2005/8/27
    From: the land with ...
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    As it will be a Plug-in and it won't be bundled with your product, Sputnik won't be affected by GPL virus


    Sputnik would not be affected, but the plugin itself would be illegal, the GPL works both ways...


    - CISC
  • »05.10.06 - 11:13
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
    From: Pinto, Madrid ...
    Quote:

    CISC wrote:

    the plugin itself would be illegal


    Berk! How about giving Sputnik the ability to detect Flash content, download it to a file, and then call an external viewer program, giving it this file's path? Would that be illegal too?
  • »05.10.06 - 13:01
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    CISC
    Posts: 619 from 2005/8/27
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    How about giving Sputnik the ability to detect Flash content, download it to a file, and then call an external viewer program, giving it this file's path? Would that be illegal too?


    No, that's totally legal.


    - CISC
  • »05.10.06 - 13:41
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Kamul
    Posts: 121 from 2004/6/9
    From: Poland, Katowice
    In my opinion Flash isn't so important (as CSS, proper Java Script support etc. are). At least in sites I browse Flash is used mainly to display really annoying advertisements and unwanted popups. OK, I meat from time to time a badly written site which I'm unable to browse without Flash. But this is not so huge problem in comparison with sites requiring full HTML support, CSS etc, and these sites are in the majority.
  • »05.10.06 - 20:10
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Crumb
    Posts: 736 from 2003/2/24
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    Sputnik would not be affected, but the plugin itself would be illegal, the GPL works both ways...


    You mean that it's not possible to create datatypes based on GPL code without author's permission? GPL sucks a lot.

    LGPL is more acceptable IMHO as it doesn't cause problems with this

    Anyway... the plug-in system would be a good idea as there are LGPL codecs like
    swfdec


    Would the plug-in be illegal it it used code licensed as GPL v2? I've heard GPL2 is less restrictive but I don't know the exact details.

    I mean... DvPlayer for OS4 has a libdvdcss, and this library is licensed as GPL2... would that plugin be illegal?

    [ Edited by Crumb on 2006/10/6 7:45 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
    From: Pinto, Madrid ...
    Quote:

    CISC wrote:

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    call an external viewer program


    No, that's totally legal.


    Phew! For me, it would be perfectly fine if flash content opens completely outside the browser. Just as PDF files, for example, I don't see the benefit in having it embedded into the browser's window.
  • »06.10.06 - 05:44
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2728 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:


    jcmarcos wrote:
    Quote:

    CISC wrote:

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    call an external viewer program


    No, that's totally legal.


    Phew! For me, it would be perfectly fine if flash content opens completely outside the browser. Just as PDF files, for example, I don't see the benefit in having it embedded into the browser's window.


    It *must* be embedded into the browsers window, since that is how most webpages are built. Websites that wants their flash content opened up in a separate window, will do just that. But 99% of the time, it's supposed to be just as embedded in the page as any image ...
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  • »06.10.06 - 06:32
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