Help! Release the Hostageware!
  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
    From: USA
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    Hostageware! Yes, some of our favorite developers have software sitting on their hdd's uncompiled, unfinished, or even just missing documentation! Several of these unnamed developers approached me about making a bounty for these unreleased projects, and one can only feel sorrow for the applications that are being held against their will!

    Well, opening a bounty for such software that exists, but is being held in a damp dark dungeon, is, well, silly. Someone else could reproduce work, waste hours researching whether they could code a project for the bounty. That's not what the bounty project is for, it's for software that we need, but isn't available. Not for software that isn't available simply because it's unreleased, due to lack of motivation, laziness, or time.

    With that stated, MorphZone is creating MuForce (pronounced moo-force, as in the greek letter "m"), a special task force to locate software being held hostage, and to get that software or sources (if pre-beta) released!

    MuForce, just like the bounties, will take donations, and send the pot will grow until the developer (terrorist?) can no longer ignore the will of the user-base! Be a part of history, join MorphZone's MuForce today!
    :idea:Targhan

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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 745 from 2003/4/6
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    If they need money they should get a job.
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  • »21.06.05 - 18:03
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  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
    From: USA
    We can also take donations in Pizzas, Beer, and Anime-DVD's.
    :idea:Targhan

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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    ThePlayer
    Posts: 1069 from 2003/3/24
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    I guess the Anime-DVD's are for Tokai! :-D

    [ Edited by ThePlayer on 2005/6/21 19:49 ]
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  • »21.06.05 - 18:46
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  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
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    jaca accepts anime dvd's too :-P

    Seriously, with bounties, users get to ask coders for software and put money up for it. What I wanted to do was to close the circle by allowing coders to ask for donations to complete some project.

    This way, we as a community, don't lose program-A, never realizing that program-A may be in jeapordy because a coder switched gears to collect on a bounty for program-B.
    :idea:Targhan

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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    AyoS
    Posts: 410 from 2003/8/13
    From: West Palm Beac...
    Sounds like a provacative Idea... my only concern is that we find a way to standardize the gift amounts before the author "submits."

    I'd hate to see an App I really want, not get released because the author is holding out for $1000 when "bounty" is currently stuck at $300 for the past 5 months...

    Plus is the author going to post a ransom note? so people have a goal?



    [ Edited by katos1 on 2005/6/21 14:33 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Robin
    Posts: 741 from 2003/2/24
    I like that idea :-D
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 745 from 2003/4/6
    From: Germany
    Sorry, I dont like this bounty-hype at all. If noone will release an application without a bounty then the platform is dead. No need to waste money for.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Acill
    Posts: 1926 from 2003/10/19
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    A long as it doesnt get out of controll I see nothing wrong with it. Once we start getting less free software out because everyone expects something to get posted for bounties or donations all the time we need to step in and say "hey, time to get real again"
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  • »22.06.05 - 02:05
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 745 from 2003/4/6
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    A long as it doesnt get out of controll I see nothing wrong with it. Once we start getting less free software out because everyone expects something to get posted for bounties or donations all the time we need to step in and say "hey, time to get real again"



    Then it is already to late.
    I wonder what will happen when the software is released. Do we need a new bounty for any further release and bugfixes?
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  • »22.06.05 - 04:54
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  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
    From: USA
    Everyone has different motivations. And, so long as the bounty/hostage thing is for a few programs it's fine. A few at a time only.

    There will be rules for the "author wants" bit too.

    1. No silly toys. Mr Banana, Garfield Browser, etc do not qualify.

    2. If there is something else that does the same job, and isn't riddled with bugs, don't bother.

    3. No "plain" ports. No matter how nice BitTorrent is - it is shell only and requires the SDK.

    3a) No ports where software exists. Why no Blender bounty? Imagine3d, Aladdin4D, and a couple of others exists on the 68k which function. You want Blender; you want to donate money to it? I'll link to your site, but will not play piggy bank for it. There are other applications that need our support here.


    4. No shareware, if you ask for "hostage status" - you will release a fully functional version. If it was already shareware--you're going to release the source too.

    5. Size Limit, since you're naming your amount--we're making a limit. (undetermined but probably between $100 and $300.)

    6. No more than three targets at a time: If there are three items to donate to already, you have to wait your turn.

    7. per above, first come first serve--only when there is an opening. We're not backlogging this stuff.

    8. Time limit (undetermined but probably around 60 - 90 days), if your project doesn't generate the cash in this time--accept what is available, or we return the money -- and YOU are responsable for the fees generated through paypal. If the system is abused (i.e., refused releases and money not returned) even once, we'll begin asking for a donation to the general fund from you up front.)


    9. No haggling the userbase in the forums. If you feel you are being abused, be a man and suck it up. No one is going to run around the forums posting "why haven't you donated to MY PROJECT yet?!"

    10. One programmer suggested "hostage" at a time. If you have four projects, tough. At least we'll know WHY you haven't finished anything. :lol:


    Translation: If you have three lines of code done on a port, six months from completion, want to release it as shareware, or want to make a PITA of yourself in the forums, you probably shouldn't bother.


    If I haven't made myself crystal clear, let me sum it up for you. There are very few projects that will qualify for this at any given time. MorphZone is doing this as a favor for everyone, but I, the webmaster, do not want to spend every waking hour playing treasurer. In many regards, I agree with DJBase about this stuff, and fully intend to be rather strict with programmer requested monotary assistance. Why is this going to be difficult? Because too much will make the well run dry, annoy the users (who may be excited right now, but they won't stay that way if everything becomes a money pot).

    I'll write up something more formal later.
    :idea:Targhan

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  • »22.06.05 - 05:27
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Gelb
    Posts: 148 from 2003/3/4
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    @Targhan

    Just to make your list of rules complete:

    What about updates (that are almost done) to already released/existing programs and that are collecting dust? :-)
  • »22.06.05 - 06:20
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  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
    From: USA
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    DJBase
    Then it is already to late.
    I wonder what will happen when the software is released. Do we need a new bounty for any further release and bugfixes?



    Not so long as I have to keep up the treasury. The fewer things at any given time the better. I think the big thing here, DJBase, is that like any new thing to do any "excitement" about bounties will level off eventually. A few people will make a few dollars here and there, but thats going to be the extent of it.
    :idea:Targhan

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  • »22.06.05 - 06:28
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  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
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    @Gelb

    You are the exception to all the rules :-P :lol:

    Another update? What about that ### client you were working on? Chop-chop buddy. No bounties for you until ###### is released. (I'm waiting for a program to be called "######" that is basically 'hello world' now....)

    Seriously, I thought you already had a paypal account that accepted funds via donation buttons? If you have that, I would much rather put you in line for another little project collecting dust here that will hopefully be a little less work for Acill and I and if we're really lucky--less offensive to those who don't like the idea of bounties.
    :idea:Targhan

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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 408 from 2004/7/15
    From: Russia, Moscow
    > If they need money they should get a job

    Yes, really. So we get a job and stop projects because of lack of time. This way unmorphos is halted for unknown time. :-? I even can't pick up ezTCP bounty (though it fully corresponds unmorphos' goals). I repair electronics and have somehow good addition to my promary salary (~$30...50 per week)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    DJBase
    Posts: 745 from 2003/4/6
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     Yes, really. So we get a job and stop projects because of lack of time. This way unmorphos is halted for unknown time.


    Then you should release your software as shareware.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 278 from 2003/3/4
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    Then you should release your software as shareware.


    This is exactely what I thought about this thread. Bounties are for users who want to have something specific released.

    Developers who wants to get some money from their work should consider shareware for the software they are not sure they should release / support. If they get registrations, fine, if not they should better work on another project.
  • »23.06.05 - 13:57
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  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
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    Sooner or later, I'm going to work up some links to all the shareware, donateware, and even commercial titles for MorphOS - probably a single page list.


    A good example of donateware is PolyOrganizer.


    The wonderful thing about this is that if it doesn't work, if it isn't enjoyable, it can still go away. I'm just hoping to catch a few titles that were otherwise going to be left behind. If it doesn't work, fine--at least I know I gave it an honest effort.
    :idea:Targhan

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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Jupp3
    Posts: 1193 from 2003/2/24
    From: Helsinki, Finland
    How about possibility to set up separate pages for individual developers?

    There they could list both current (released) and future projects (plans).
    Also links to released versions, descriptions of planned software (text) or screenshots.

    Then people could donate for developer whose projects they happen to like (or maybe even address the donation to a single project? So that developer knows, what software people REALLY like) and thus encourage further updates & new projects.
  • »23.06.05 - 21:32
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