New bounty proposal - AbiWord or similar word processor
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Debaser
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    jcmarcos: I have played with it a bit on AROS. Its a great start. RTF,OO,and.doc support.

    http://desler.be/modules/wfchannel/

    I think this is the best way for us to move forward with something tangible, in my opinion.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Quote:

    Debaser wrote:

    jcmarcos: I have played with it a bit on AROS. Its a great start. RTF,OO,and.doc support.


    Thankyou Debaser. So, it seems, interchanging documents with regular computers might be possible. Good thing. But what I'd like to see is some example of the program in action. The screenshots in "desler.be" aren't feature rich. I'd love to see the typical screenshot showing a complex document, with text layed out in several columns, sorrounding images and so on:

    screenshot1_sm.jpg

    aw_2.gif

    These are screenshots of PageStream and AmigaWriter, respectively. The former should be an unfair comparison, as it's a DTP package (and a very good one, it seems). The later looks painfully crude, but it does have the features. I even got one for free, as I did the spanish translation, many years ago. Pity it's based on it's own GUI toolkit, ("stormwizard") but perhaps it's not a huge problem. PageStream, on the other hand is already multiplatform.

    [ Edited by jcmarcos on 2010/4/27 9:45 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    DiskDoctor
    Posts: 306 from 2009/4/17
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    Fab wrote:
    OS4 doesn't have OpenOffice, no (not even through a X11 trashport).


    OS4 has Gnumeric via AmiCygnix AFAR. It's an OpenOffice fork (calc app that is).
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  • »28.04.10 - 09:24
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  • Butterfly
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    @Debaser
    I also got a reply from Claus to the same effect. It seems that hardware on which to test is the only issue. However, apparently one of his friends recently acquired a Mac for MorphOS so he may get access to the equipment in near future.

    It would be really good if someone with the programming experience could contact Claus to provide advice on specifics of the port for MorphOS. I believe this would give the CW port a momentum.

    As far as OpenOffice, Gnumeric, or other office-type productivity software from Linux world are concerned, I don't see what the point of such "port" is, especially if this is to rely on X11 and other components. Only native or nothing at all. :-P
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  • »28.04.10 - 11:01
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    Kronos
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    DiskDoctor wrote:

    OS4 has Gnumeric via AmiCygnix AFAR. It's an OpenOffice fork (calc app that is).


    Any evidence to back up that claim ?
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22
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    > OS4 has Gnumeric via AmiCygnix AFAR.

    Xyphoid beat you to this :-)

    > It's an OpenOffice fork (calc app that is).

    I doubt that. Gnumeric is older than OpenOffice Calc.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
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    Just like the browser wars, (which I think owb won) which ever office/word processing application, gets us functioning with other systems be it native or not. Not a huge deal with macminis and pegs, using google docs/online converters and pdf's afa ram is concerned, but sometimes, you just want to open a doc and type, save to jump drive, and pull it up at work.

    I had suggested waaay back someone get desler an efika or something. At the time he also said hardway was an issue
  • »29.04.10 - 01:46
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
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    @ kronos
    wasn't it you who was working on something?
    I know there was a bounty.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > wasn't it you who was working on something?
    > I know there was a bounty.

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6382&forum=32
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    @Insurgent -

    He also mentioned his friend as well..however he didn't say it was a G4 mini either :(

    I hope someone with some MorphOS coding skills and just give it a look and see what they can do to get the port made/started. <crossing fingers>
  • »29.04.10 - 11:38
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
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    has anyone tinkered with a work around using os4emu and cw. conventionally it doesn't work
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    [ Edited by Velcro_SP 15.05.2011 - 09:00 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22
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    > Pry the Papyrus source code from Michael Garlich of Titan.

    I don't think that's possible, at least not without financial investment. Titan licensed the source code from the owner. So another entity continuing Titan's work would have to negotiate a separate license I think.
  • »30.04.10 - 09:29
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Was there ages ago a working version of Papyrus for MorphOS ? if yes, where ?

    thanks
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Was there ages ago a working version of Papyrus for MorphOS ? if yes, where ?

    https://morph.zone/modules/news/article.php?storyid=207
    https://morph.zone/modules/news/article.php?storyid=562
    https://morph.zone/modules/news/article.php?storyid=638
  • »30.04.10 - 18:32
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 306 from 2009/4/17
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    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:


    DiskDoctor wrote:

    OS4 has Gnumeric via AmiCygnix AFAR. It's an OpenOffice fork (calc app that is).


    Any evidence to back up that claim ?


    http://home.rhein-zeitung.de/~eschwan/index.php?lang=en&fr0=AmigaFrameNav.php%3Flang%3Den%26sub%3D0&fr1=amiga/AmiCygnix.php%3Flang%3Den

    Gosh, hope when next time I type 2*2=4 equation, you won't call me in for backup.

    But seriously you're either totally bad in googling or just simply an ignorant about OS4 state of Office apps (which is one of system's key functionality features). I only say this because you decided to take part in this very discussion. Otherwise you would have the right to know completely nothing about OS4 or even express this very fact.
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  • »01.05.10 - 13:01
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  • Fab
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    Sorry, but this kind of X11 recompilation can't be considered as a really usable port.
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    Kronos
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    Erm, yeah ..... so ..... what ???

    Gnumeric does support OO.org files, but thats all.

    A "fork" would mean that Gnumeric is in someway based on OO.org (which it's not).

    Don't see the relevance on OS4,Cycnix or what you consider "key features" Gnumeric is NO OO.org fork .....
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    xyphoid
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    guys, but does the concept work? if open office files are supported, then that's all that's needed right? I haven't invested in a newer amiga, (os4 to be specific) so I don't know for sure. Maybe if someone whops has os4, and uses Gnumeric could comment and verify its compatibility,a nd ease of use, This then may be helpful. cade in point use program at home edit change at work, open at home adjust, update, save, and print... and so on. Again our only solution right nnow is Google Docs, which is not partially native app.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 193 from 2008/2/4
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    While Fab's right about x11 ports being awkward , it really is way better to have those compared to just Google docs. I have to say both Abiword and Gnumeric are more than sufficient for my everyday office needs (which are not too complicated) and, so far, all word and excel files I've tried have been loaded/saved just fine with minor glitches when it comes to word and nested tables, but that's to be expected I suppose as it's a proprietary format. Haven't tried OO docs, but rtf files are fine. Fonts are supported properly as are codepages (greek in my case).
  • »01.05.10 - 23:32
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    I have seen Abiword run on a micro under os4...I was not impressed in the slightest. Not only was it Abiword, but it was a bit slow.

    Not that CW is the cats meow :) but there is no x11 needed and well... its a basis for helping create something new and modern for our OS. <scratches head>

    [ Edited by Debaser on 2010/5/2 9:49 ]

    [ Edited by Debaser on 2010/5/2 9:50 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Debaser wrote:
    I have seen Abiword run on a micro under os4...I was not impressed in the slightest. Not only was it Abiword, but it was a bit slow.

    Not that CW is the cats meow :) but there is no x11 needed and well... its a basis for helping create something new and modern for our OS. <scratches head>




    That's why I keep on saying: we don't need oo clone, we need doc parsers and encoders for NoWinEd! (or others)
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  • »02.05.10 - 15:21
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    What crawls under os4, flies on morphos...especially on macmini 8-)
  • »02.05.10 - 19:08
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