Well, on the good side Senex, I have managed to be in contact with the AROS team, and will confer with them as well about your bounty idea. I think there is a legal concern, but I'm unsure of what to do at this point. Sorry to be "flip floppy" about it, but I don't want to get the site yanked down!!!!

Senex: Please contact the AROS team.

Everyone Else: I'm started coding up individual bounty pages, but will need help with the descriptions, requirements, and wording for each individual project. Feel free to help out!

Will add a 'regular' tcp/ip stack thing later too. lwIP is a bit on the high-end of goals. maybe just a amitcp3 / arostcp too for a quick goal type tcp/ip stack.

Listen to Kronos, just keep it simple, bounties need to grow :]

And what about the Ambient Team ?
We can pay the great job for the new Ambient and this can motive the team to continue.

Yeah a much more improved Ambient and Ambientpanel would be great!

Quote:

I think what you really are talking about now, is donations rather than a bounty.

1) Makes sense, port from AROS.
2) Doesnt make sense. There is Amizilla bounty and there is Paihia in works.
3) Radeon 3D drivers and tv-out are not reachable by ordinary coders. Just forget it for now.
4) Doesnt make sense. There is similar bounty for AROS already.
5) FiWi stack is quite lot of job. Maybe it could be better work on smaller projects first.
6-7) No comment

Hi fellow MOS users,

At the discussion about Amiga webbrowser
some people seem to miss some information
and to have come to wrong conclusions.

I would like to give some info about Aweb:

a) Aweb is a free Amiga Browser and runs well
on OS 3.x MorphOS and OS4
b) Aweb requires classact but runs fine on MOS using the aminet classact stuff.
c) Aweb new GUI looks much better than the old one - It looks fine on MOS too.
d) Aweb HTML rendering is good - its ahead of Ibrowse 2.3 and Voyager in many cases.
e) Aweb does not support CSS yet - but support is planned.

If you want to get an overview of what features were added
lately and what is currently worked on then please
looks at Aweb bugzillla
http://bugz.naff.dk

Examples: Support for these item is currently worked on or planned:
- improved Javascript to match JS 1.5
- CSS
- Flash plugin


Some people seem to believe that writing a moderm
webbrowser is only possible with a huge team.
This is of course not the case. While Mozilla has a big team
there are other examples that show that even a single person
can write a perfect modern webbrowser.
Just look at Icab a Mac browser - its written by single guy in
his spare time. Icab 3.0 CSS is in many ways better than MSIEs.


The is no doubt that improving Aweb to be a better modern webbrowser is a reachable target.
In what time this goal can be reached is more or less a question
of how much time the developer can spend on it and if they get any help.


Aweb is running now on MOS/Amiga and if you look at the bugfix history
then you can see that for the last halve year every week
new features were added to it.


Cheers
Gunnar

I can add:
f) Aweb doesn't support charset other then iso1 for view and for
edit.
g) Aweb doesn't support codes other the 255 code. (it is unposible
with standard Amiga diskfont.library).
h) I can't see any argument to continue developing Aweb. This program
needs to be write once again.
i) Developing Aweb is waste of time...

@Kaczus
Why are you so agressive?

1st) Aweb supports other character sets.
2nd) Adding support for more is of course always possible.

regarding i)
I can't follow your logic.
Of course you can have whatever opinion you want.
Just mind that with similar argumentation you can
easely say developing MOS is a waste of time ...

if you can provide a copy of AWeb that does not require non-existant reaction classes, does not crash after five minutes of usage, and has a text-input gadget that actually works -- I'll use it


Seriously, there is no ban on AWeb, we just had to get some stuff up that contains both small and large tasks. Once we have all the rules up, it will be easier to donate to such projects. I'm sure bigfoot would love to get some reward for all of his work on AWeb already... Who knows, it might even get an updated copy off of his harddrive

Aweb support charsets? - try this pages:
http://republika.pl/e_school/index.htm
(I don't say aweb don't work with this adress proprly:
http://republika.pl/e_school )
try also this page:
www.allegro.pl and try for example send properly adres with Polish
signs.

Yes aweb support charset but only iso1....

@targhan

*LOL*
Aweb reputation seems to be quite bad.
And I have to agree, actually all the former
AWEB MOS releases were quite bad.

Nevertheless, Aweb has improved significantely lately
and especially the MOS port got better and runs much more stable now.

Its probably a good idea for all to try out the next Aweb release.
Don't use the current "beta" releases to build your opinion as the new MOS fixes are not in them.
Wait a week or so and try the next stable release to build your own opinion.


Cheers

[ Edited by BigGun on 2005/6/13 18:25 ]

@Kaczus,

Correctly configured and with the proper fonts
Aweb supports Euro and even this *strange*
eastern characters like hacek, trema.

I think Pavel Fendin wrote the support for russian.

You can check this in the source in file aweb/parce.c
And if you find anything to improve feel free to send us a patch.
Thats the beauty of being opensource

Cheers


[ Edited by BigGun on 2005/6/13 18:28 ]

I think, that using bitmap font doesn't solve the problem. Browser
need any freetype font engine with fool support charset. I use simple
patch, but it work only for ONE charset, in Poland there are use 3
standards of encoding webpages iso2, cp1250 and utf-8. Without full
support fonts with utf-8 support browser is unusable in Poland. View
page is only one of problem, trying send any information from browser
to server in properly charset it is second big problem.

I've written about one problem, but there are more problem in css.
There are also problem with printing pages in graphic mode. It is also
not good in Aweb. Simply Aweb needs new engine, because old is
unusable with new standards.

@Kaczus

I don't want to argue with you.

If you have problems with Aweb - how about writing to the Aweb mailing list?
If you think you have found a bug how about writing a bug report?
If you believe a feature is missing then please write a feature request!

If you can code some C and want to speed up the
solution of your feature request then you are invited to send a patch.

If you don't know C or have no time - how about using this great idea of the MOS bounty system?
Just initiate a bounty for whatever feature you want.

But of course the bounty should be spezific.
If you need support for charset xyz then you could
create a bounty asking for xyz charset support.

If you want support for CSS support then you
could create a bounty for this too.

I think smaller bounties for single features are better
because then more people could work on them.




BTW You can use freetype fonts with Aweb.



Cheers

[ Edited by BigGun on 2005/6/13 19:12 ]

Dont hijack the thread please! Go take a look at the bounties page and tell us what you think.

One last note from me on the AWeb port. I have supported AWeb in the past, and am not opposed to writing up a MorphOS friendly installer. I just don't have the time anymore to even attempt an "everybody" installer. (Though it's probably not needed by me anymore)

Again, the current bounties we're writing up is only a limitation in that I don't have time to deal with all the things that we (the community) want to support. I have to draw a line somewhere to be able to get other things running in the bounties.

Oh yeah, don't forget to check out my newest blog, covering my favorite little media player and why *I* really would love to have VirtualDub available for MorphOS http://targhan.blogspot.com

IMO the MorphOS-User Email bounty is not needed. And is a waste of precious donations. I would think Morph users already have a collection of email addies. They don't need one more.

Focus those precious donations on what they require right now to make them less dependant on a Wintel or Mac PC. What they need is a decent TCP/IP and a FireFox port.

I disagree, Ronald. If there was no need for such a service, then there would have not been any donations at all. If it weren't needed, people wouldn't have been asking me since day one for a MorphZone email address. Besides, this will give two other benefits:

1. Publicity for our platform.

2. A public face for our community.

Not to mention that without starting the email project, the bounties project would likely haven't got the kickstart that it needed.

Wow. People ask for this kinda of stuff.

Ronald I for one, and this is a seperate project, if you dont like it then pretend its not there. Nothing os forcing you topay into it. The donations go into paying the server fees and cost of the new hardware that was used to build them.

I think we got a hair off topic... Anyway, anyone want to help define goals for the individual bounties that are there? Once we are happy with those, donations will open.

After that, I'll begin work on the forms to submit bounties and to accept bounties. (until then use PM or email)

I'm a bit disappointed that there are two bounties regarding TCP/IP stack, but both exclude a stack written from scratch. I'm writing this because I would be interested in taking such bounty if it exist. Ports are maybe easier but not necessarily better.