86X emulator
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 101 from 2004/4/17
    An idea... maybe a 86x emulator for MOS can be a good thing for a bounty?

    Exist some emulator for 86x for MOS, Bochs and DosBox, but they are SLOOOWWW! :-D But I think they are useful...
    Many of them are porting, but maybe a bounty can persuade someone to develop a 86x emulator for MOS, capable to use better our OS, and make them ever fast and stable. :-P Or at least porting quickly last versions of these portable emulators, MOS versions appear late respect Linux/Windows releases. :-(
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    artickfox wrote:
    An idea... maybe a 86x emulator for MOS can be a good thing for a bounty?

    Exist some emulator for 86x for MOS, Bochs and DosBox, but they are SLOOOWWW! :-D But I think they are useful...
    Many of them are porting, but maybe a bounty can persuade someone to develop a 86x emulator for MOS, capable to use better our OS, and make them ever fast and stable. :-P Or at least porting quickly last versions of these portable emulators, MOS versions appear late respect Linux/Windows releases. :-(


    Think this will be interesting for MOS.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    agreed.....what about somehting like PearPC that way we could run OSX from MOS :-D
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    poundsmack ha scritto:
    agreed.....what about somehting like PearPC that way we could run OSX from MOS :-D


    Maybe they can port MacOnLinux itself for MOS. :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    artickfox wrote:
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    poundsmack ha scritto:
    agreed.....what about somehting like PearPC that way we could run OSX from MOS :-D


    Maybe they can port MacOnLinux itself for MOS. :-)


    Thats the one I want to see ported most of all! I dont see why it couldnt be done!
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    MAC on linux would be an incedibly dificult port...........writing somehting from scratch would be easier.....

    by the way Acill nice avatar....
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  • Butterfly
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    would it really be that dificult? i mean how many actual dependancies does it have on linux? besides being designed specificaly for it? why couldn't it be ported....(besides apple would get mad)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Oh no, I shouldn't....but...can't...control.. XpostfaxtO! Darned, another software request post contaminated ;-)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XpostfaxtO would be indeed a great pice of software for pegasos but needs first a working OpenDarwin Port. Maybe it could be possible to make a single boot.img that can start a MacOS CD or HDD. Well, we will see.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    whats XpostfaxtO?
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    poundsmack wrote:
    agreed.....what about somehting like PearPC that way we could run OSX from MOS :-D


    Not needed. Since we use the same processor as OS X there is absolutely no sense to emulate it.

    Regarding MOM (MacOnMos): It's not possible with the current state of MOS. We need to wait for the appearance of some kind of public Q API, since it will hardly need MMU capabilities which is not handled within the ABox but in Q.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    XPostFacto

    Its a kind of Wrapper for old Powermacs and Clones to install and run MacOS X on these machines. Because they are no longer supported by Apple.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    cool idea how odes it work and how much ram do u need to suport OSX on these comps...must just be a ton :-D
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    You install MacOS 9 and then XPostFacto or similar like that. Havent any old Powermac for testing. It runs also with 128 MB. Slow but it runs.
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  • Cocoon
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    I want to port QEmu!!!

    QEmu is the fastest X86 Emulator...with that you can be 5 times slower than a real X86 so It's correct ;-)
    It can be also a "box" where you can run linux applications.
    :-D

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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    QEmu is the fastest X86 Emulator...with that you can be 5 times slower than a real X86 so It's correct


    Not bad but MacOS needs no CPU Emulation and would be faster.
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  • Cocoon
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    yes for sure, maybe quite native speed :-)
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    QEmu is the fastest X86 Emulator...with that you can be 5 times slower than a real X86 so It's correct ;-)



    An teorically how much fast should be a Windows program on Pegasos/MOS whit this emu?
    And it can support Direct 3d or OpenGL?

    Well, I think only if it's enough fast, should really rock play some 3d game on pegasos trought emulation! :D
    (well, maybe today we can't do that well, but sure ly this appen in near future...)

    :pint: :pint: :pint: Well, true, i think only to play. :pint: :pint: :pint:
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  • Cocoon
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    lol first we must have an opengl on MOS before doing a opengl wrapper...But be sure It won't be quick enough to play games but just use office tools :p
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    poundsmack
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    tetuzo ia gona port Qemu?!?!?! tetuzo has become my new best friend :-D
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    lol first we must have an opengl on MOS before doing a opengl wrapper...


    Any software whitout Direct 3d should work (using software rendering at least).

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    But be sure It won't be quick enough to play games but just use office tools :p


    mmm... depends how good will the emulation... often i run some games for 600/800 ghz CPU, using a Pentium 3 450 Mhz. Well, they don't run very fast, and many options must disabled or reducted for gain fast, but they still playable.

    If an emulator can match a discreet fast (or at least... near a minimal requisite), well, playing a "near modern" title should be possible... i think see Blizzard's "Diablo" (or "Diablo 2") on Pegasos via emulation should be... interesting. :-D
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  • Cocoon
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    hum you can't expect a quick enough emulation to run X86 games...Windows is a ####in slow and fat system...consuming memory and cpu :(
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Windows is a pain in the arse, sorry.
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