Partitions Question:
  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 245 from 2012/10/14
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    When I installed MorphOS I selected an automatic configuration. Was this a mistake?

    I think those hard drive icons are partitions. There is a "Boot" one, a "Work" one, and a "System" one. The System partition is where the Apps and Games and everything else installed.

    But this System Partition was configured automatically for approximately 2 GB !

    Isn't this too small? I am not going to want every single thing installed on it but what happens if the space runs out? Will I have to erase and reinstall? Would reinstalling affect registration after I registered?

    (Also, I will sneak these following questions: I don't think I will be able to register MorphOS key until the end of this year. MorphOS would release updated versions before that time. How would I register? Would I need to update, then register?; Or could I register, then update? Could I register an "Old" version of MorphOS? Also, just checking, but does updating erase the hard drive?)
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  • »23.04.14 - 18:35
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2326 from 2003/2/24
    Not a mistake, but also not optimal...

    Never versions of iWizard allow you to manually set a biggers system: partition, but 2GB is still the default.

    If work: is still empty (or you can backup the contents somewhere) you might get away by simply growing the sytem in HDConfig (will be listed as dh1: there). You should also backup anything of value on system anyways if following that way.

    Current RegTool is from early 2012 according to it's version string and I see no reason why the team would do any drastic changes to it in the near future. So yes, registering from 3.5 at a time when 3.9 (or whatever) is current should be possible, and even if it won't work it will most likely fail before you can make that payment.

    But in the end thats all nonsense since you can just update form a hypothetical 3.9 ISO without loosing any of your settings or installed apps, and thats the way you should do it.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12162 from 2003/5/22
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    > Would reinstalling affect registration after I registered?

    No. You should keep your keyfile at a safe place, though.

    > does updating erase the hard drive?

    No. It updates the system partition and puts the old files in a backup directory on the system partition.
  • »23.04.14 - 22:07
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Never versions of iWizard allow you to manually set a biggers system: partition, but 2GB is still the default.



    I just make sure that there won't be any mistakes, Kronos means "newer" versions ;) There's a slider for the system partition size in the installer and you can select the size from 2GB up to whole disk. So, if you haven't tuned the system too much, it might be the easiest to reinstall MorphOS and set it to bigger value.

    If you're little more experienced with amigaish partitioning/copying, you could for example split the empty Work: partition to two, backup (copy all clone) your system partition to the last partition, remove the first half of the splitted Work:, resize & format system partition bigger, and copy system back from the last partition.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
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    I would recommend 10 gig sys: partition. Then you are on the safe side forever.
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    I myself have been fine with 1GB SYS:, I install all other programs to Work: partition in dedicated directories. That way I keep system totally separated from other stuff. I find some advantages with it... making backup of just the system files is easier, I can have multiple system partitions which use shared program/data partition etc.

    But if you like to install Chrysalis to SYS: or keep everything in System's dirs, then you should have a bigger partition for it.
  • »24.04.14 - 11:55
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    geit
    Posts: 1049 from 2004/9/23
    Quote:

    jPV wrote:
    I myself have been fine with 1GB SYS:, I install all other programs to Work: partition in dedicated directories. That way I keep system totally separated from other stuff. I find some advantages with it... making backup of just the system files is easier, I can have multiple system partitions which use shared program/data partition etc.

    But if you like to install Chrysalis to SYS: or keep everything in System's dirs, then you should have a bigger partition for it.



    Sideeffects are that predefined paths will fail and need to be reconfigured, as one expects for example MPlayer in SYS:Applications/MPlayer/

    I don´t see a big use in having multiple partitions. They eat hdd space and cause higher memory usage. You need to take care about where to install stuff. In fact I don´t even use data partitions.

    The system is already separated within a specific drawer. The applications delivered are used to be up to date. (Future version will check version before overwriting OWB). Creating partitions will for sure cause problems in the future.

    One partition gets full, while the other is more or less empty. Then you start mixing data between partitions and there is chaos.

    I prefer creating a drawer named Data, assign it as Data: and place the icon on desktop. This way you never have a partition running out of space, as there is only one for anything. In fact there isn´t much data these days and most stuff like music, video and pictures can be placed on external storage units to make them available to all systems at the same time.

    Speaking of backups: Around 300MB of MorphOS files make no difference. when it comes to an backup. When using a tool like MirrorCopy to backup data you store it once after system update. Inbetween you store just the changes made, which are done in seconds, when it comes to a daily backups.

    And one should not install Chrysalis. Just decompress and drag over the applications you really want, instead of creating a mess of installed applications, where one error leads to the next and you have no idea where to start searching.

    So my advice is: Install an SSD (MSATA + IDE adapter in mini/laptop), push the partition slider to max and go for it. If your SSD is bigger than 120GB you may consider creating another partition, or you leave that space untouched to speed up SSD usage and increase the over time health of the media., as those blocks are used as spare blocks.

    Geit

    [ Edited by geit 24.04.2014 - 15:53 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > In fact there isn´t much data these days and most stuff like music, video and
    > pictures can be placed on external storage units

    In fact, there is more data than ever these days, which is one of the reasons that most stuff like music, video and pictures should be placed on external storage units :-)
  • »24.04.14 - 14:59
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    Posts: 2096 from 2003/2/24
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    Quote:

    geit wrote:
    Quote:

    jPV wrote:
    I myself have been fine with 1GB SYS:, I install all other programs to Work: partition in dedicated directories. That way I keep system totally separated from other stuff. I find some advantages with it... making backup of just the system files is easier, I can have multiple system partitions which use shared program/data partition etc.

    But if you like to install Chrysalis to SYS: or keep everything in System's dirs, then you should have a bigger partition for it.



    Sideeffects are that predefined paths will fail and need to be reconfigured, as one expects for example MPlayer in SYS:Applications/MPlayer/



    I really hope that nobody (at least any program released) assumes that MPlayer would be in that path. You just can't expect that users would start using fixed locations for anything.

    I have all apps in Utils: assign, which points to location I have the apps installed. I always use that assign everywhere, so I can move the actual location if needed.

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    I don´t see a big use in having multiple partitions. They eat hdd space and cause higher memory usage. You need to take care about where to install stuff. In fact I don´t even use data partitions.



    Memory taken by couple partitions isn't problem nowadays. It wasn't that big problem even on Amiga, if you had proper amount of fast mem.

    You might also want to defrag your system partition sometimes, it's a lot faster when everything isn't stored there.

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    The system is already separated within a specific drawer. The applications delivered are used to be up to date. (Future version will check version before overwriting OWB). Creating partitions will for sure cause problems in the future.


    Of course I advice keeping applications provided by the system (MorphOS) on its own Applications directory. Although I didn't specify it, but I meant that I keep other 3rd party applications and data on separate partition.

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    One partition gets full, while the other is more or less empty. Then you start mixing data between partitions and there is chaos.

    I prefer creating a drawer named Data, assign it as Data: and place the icon on desktop. This way you never have a partition running out of space, as there is only one for anything. In fact there isn´t much data these days and most stuff like music, video and pictures can be placed on external storage units to make them available to all systems at the same time.


    Well, if you place music, video and pictures on external storage, you hardly run out of space on partitions with other stuff with today's HD sizes :)

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    Speaking of backups: Around 300MB of MorphOS files make no difference. when it comes to an backup. When using a tool like MirrorCopy to backup data you store it once after system update. Inbetween you store just the changes made, which are done in seconds, when it comes to a daily backups.


    It really makes a difference, if you want to make system backup to small media like USB sticks or CD-R:s. Small system partition fits there easily, but if I'd have all my data, games, apps and stuff backuped, I don't have that big sticks... I have to dig up some more clumsy storage devices, which are hard to move around to many other systems I need to use etc.

    But anyway, people have different opinions which is good for them, I just want to point some options to think. Each of their own...
  • »24.04.14 - 16:18
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  • MorphOS Developer
    geit
    Posts: 1049 from 2004/9/23
    Quote:

    jPV wrote:

    It really makes a difference, if you want to make system backup to small media like USB sticks or CD-R:s. Small system partition fits there easily, but if I'd have all my data, games, apps and stuff backuped, I don't have that big sticks... I have to dig up some more clumsy storage devices, which are hard to move around to many other systems I need to use etc.



    I use different MorphOS systems as backup device and simply clone my Pegasos2 everytime using MirrorCopy. :)

    So PowerMac G4, PowerMac G5, Mac mini and the iBook are backups of my Pegasos2. Since I do not store important data on those systems I cannot loose any data when using them as target drive. All text files (and that is 99% of the files I change) are located on SVN server, which is running on Peg2, too.

    Geit
  • »24.04.14 - 17:09
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