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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
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    How much electricity does one of these consume compared to a typical PC?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    connor
    Posts: 502 from 2007/7/29
    Up to 190W I read somewhere on their page. So it is similar to a Mac G5 or Mac Pro (around 200 W and more). What is a typical PC then? Office one? THey use less. Gamer PC? Some graphics card need 200 W and then you can add all other components. You can end up at 500 or 750 W for that. For a standard desktop usually 50 - 100 W. But if we could so much power like from this machine I would accept 190 W as well. Just not for a 10 year old G5 with tiny performance compared to that.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Jim
    Posts: 4856 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    How much electricity does one of these consume compared to a typical PC?


    From the specs, it would appear to be no higher than a lower end AMD eight core system (less than a high end AMD cpu).

    Intel hardware would offer a power advantage, but if we were really focused solely on power draw there are lower draw PPCs.

    In terms of power vs performance, Power 8 actually looks pretty good.

    Now Talos' performance per dollar ratio?
    Not so good.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    redrumloa
    Posts: 1336 from 2003/4/13
    Now this is something I'd consider dropping some serious scratch on for PPC, if we were staying PPC. A much, much better value than A-Eonkit's offerings.


    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Update:

    > Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    > mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
    > http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

    Reduced to 3000 USD.

    > Main specs: [...]
    > http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_specs.php

    mPCIe, eSATA3 and more SATA3 ports added. New main specs are:

    - 1x 8-core POWER8 (10 and 12 cores as options)
    - 8x DDR3 RDIMM slot
    - 2x PCIe x16
    - 4x PCIe x8
    - 1x mPCIe x1
    - 1x PCI
    - 8x SATA3
    - 2x eSATA3
    - 8x USB3
    - 2x GbE
    - 1x HDMI
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Up to 190W I read somewhere on their page.

    ...for the POWER8 chip, not for the board let alone entire system.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > In terms of power vs performance, Power 8 actually looks pretty good.

    Even Raptor Engineering acknowledges that x86 and ARM offer more performance per Watt than POWER8.

    http://static.rpteng.com/TALOS/images/3wq4uy8w9ote8v9o3tg34t.png
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Jim
    Posts: 4856 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > In terms of power vs performance, Power 8 actually looks pretty good.

    Even Raptor Engineering acknowledges that x86 and ARM offer more performance per Watt than POWER8.

    http://static.rpteng.com/TALOS/images/3wq4uy8w9ote8v9o3tg34t.png


    My opinion about that is purely anecdotal.

    [ Edited by Jim 28.02.2016 - 14:37 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    minator
    Posts: 363 from 2003/3/28
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Up to 190W I read somewhere on their page.

    ...for the POWER8 chip, not for the board let alone entire system.


    POWER8 has absolutely massive memory bandwidth (230GB/second) and another 48GB/second for I/O.
    That's probably where most of that power goes.

    FYI Intel Xeon E5 is up 160W.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Update:

    >> Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    >> mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
    >> http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

    > Reduced to 3000 USD.

    Raised to 3700 USD.
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Posts: 148 from 2004/11/18
    Cool another unbuyable and powerfull motherboard !
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Posts: 148 from 2004/11/18
    I must admit that power8 is awsome but it's to expensive. The great thing is that all the moterboard is ducumented due to the open concept.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Update:

    >>> Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    >>> mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
    >>> http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

    >> Reduced to 3000 USD.

    > Raised to 3700 USD.

    New info:
    - board will also be available without CPU for 2700 USD (i.e. stock CPU is 1000 USD)
    - mock-ups of board layout and rear I/O connectors
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Raf_MegaByte
    Posts: 430 from 2004/10/10
    From: Nella grande r...
    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Now this is something I'd consider dropping some serious scratch on for PPC, if we were staying PPC. A much, much better value than A-Eonkit's offerings.


    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Update:

    > Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    > mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
    > http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

    Reduced to 3000 USD.

    > Main specs: [...]
    > http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_specs.php

    mPCIe, eSATA3 and more SATA3 ports added. New main specs are:

    - 1x 8-core POWER8 (10 and 12 cores as options)
    - 8x DDR3 RDIMM slot
    - 2x PCIe x16
    - 4x PCIe x8
    - 1x mPCIe x1
    - 1x PCI
    - 8x SATA3
    - 2x eSATA3
    - 8x USB3
    - 2x GbE
    - 1x HDMI





    If it will feature also a M.2 port for system native SSD HD, it will be really awesome!
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  • Jim
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    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Jim
    Posts: 4856 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Update:

    >>> Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    >>> mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
    >>> http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

    >> Reduced to 3000 USD.

    > Raised to 3700 USD.

    New info:
    - board will also be available without CPU for 2700 USD (i.e. stock CPU is 1000 USD)
    - mock-ups of board layout and rear I/O connectors


    Are you sure the board comes without a cpu?
    I can't find that detail in the survey form.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    connor
    Posts: 502 from 2007/7/29
    The details are impressive and the price is very good compared to X5000. I would like to see MorphOS on that.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    >> board will also be available without CPU for 2700 USD (i.e. stock CPU is 1000 USD)

    > Are you sure the board comes without a cpu?

    Optionally, yes. From the website:

    "If you opt to purchase a more powerful POWER8 CPU (sold separately), the standalone Talos board and accessories (no CPU) may be purchased for around $2,700 USD."
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2572 from 2006/3/21
    From: Lake Arrowhead...
    Quote:

    connor wrote:
    The details are impressive and the price is very good compared to X5000. I would like to see MorphOS on that.


    Maybe you should contact the company making those boards and ask if they would offer a discount for a volume purchase of 50 or 100, and how much that discount would be. Then of course you would need a commitment from the MorphOS Dev Team for porting MorphOS to that board & CPU, and finally, you would need to find 50 to 100 existing MorphOS users who would give you their money for the purchase price, so they could not back out of the deal later and leave you with the possibility of cancelling the deal, or trying to come up with the money missing, from any people who changed their minds during the production process.

    Not likely to get the MorphOS Dev. Team to agree to such a port, but maybe if you and the group interested in buying such expensive motherboards and CPU's would also have enough money to purchase 3 or 4 extra boards to donate to the MorphOS Dev. Team, as payment for doing the port of MorphOS to your desired hardware.

    Again, not likely to happen.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Maybe you should contact the company making those boards and ask if they would offer
    > a discount for a volume purchase of 50 or 100

    "Special offers and/or pricing may be available on orders of 10 units or more"
    http://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/faq.php

    > you would need to find 50 to 100 existing MorphOS users who would give you their money
    > for the purchase price, so they could not back out of the deal later and leave you with the
    > possibility of cancelling the deal, or trying to come up with the money missing, from any
    > people who changed their minds during the production process.

    Advance payment will be required anyway:

    "We are currently targeting an initial down payment of $1,000 USD. This is non-refundable once the project starts, and reserves a Talos mainboard for you from the initial manufacturing run."
    http://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/faq.php
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Jim
    Posts: 4856 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    You know, I don't think there are 50-100 of us willing to prepay for a place at the table.
    I like the idea, but I am not that practical when it comes to my interests.

    AND...if there were 50-100 of us willing to go there, we'd be spending a lot of money to further distance ourselves from our current hardware.

    Nice pipe dream, but...
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    vox
    Posts: 428 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    redrumloa wrote:
    Now this is something I'd consider dropping some serious scratch on for PPC, if we were staying PPC. A much, much better value than A-Eonkit's offerings.



    Agreed, however neither AROS, MorphOS or AmigaOS 4 support it.

    However, Linux support is great.

    IF we only could do MOS and OS4 ports, that would give us much better future.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10490 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > IF we only could do MOS and OS4 ports, that would give us much better future.

    From a year ago:

    "I actually wrote the MorphOS team asking to join in; I would love to begin working on porting it to Power8 now that there is reference platform hardware available. FWIW, I have worked closely with or befriended OS developers ranging from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, PCBSD (I was part of wheel for pcbsd.org), OS X, newos, BeOS, iOS, WebOS, Windows, Debian and Ubuntu. [...] if you know any on the MorphOS team; I really, really want to help move that project forward into the future. I can find many ways to get a paycheck, but I would rather be doing so working on a project that I love!"
    https://jonlennartaasenden.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/amiga-programmer-looking-for-work/#comments

    ;-)
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