How much electricity does one of these consume compared to a typical PC?

Up to 190W I read somewhere on their page. So it is similar to a Mac G5 or Mac Pro (around 200 W and more). What is a typical PC then? Office one? THey use less. Gamer PC? Some graphics card need 200 W and then you can add all other components. You can end up at 500 or 750 W for that. For a standard desktop usually 50 - 100 W. But if we could so much power like from this machine I would accept 190 W as well. Just not for a 10 year old G5 with tiny performance compared to that.

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From the specs, it would appear to be no higher than a lower end AMD eight core system (less than a high end AMD cpu).

Intel hardware would offer a power advantage, but if we were really focused solely on power draw there are lower draw PPCs.

In terms of power vs performance, Power 8 actually looks pretty good.

Now Talos' performance per dollar ratio?
Not so good.

Now this is something I'd consider dropping some serious scratch on for PPC, if we were staying PPC. A much, much better value than A-Eonkit's offerings.


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> Up to 190W I read somewhere on their page.

...for the POWER8 chip, not for the board let alone entire system.

> In terms of power vs performance, Power 8 actually looks pretty good.

Even Raptor Engineering acknowledges that x86 and ARM offer more performance per Watt than POWER8.

http://static.rpteng.com/TALOS/images/3wq4uy8w9ote8v9o3tg34t.png

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My opinion about that is purely anecdotal.

[ Edited by Jim 28.02.2016 - 14:37 ]

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POWER8 has absolutely massive memory bandwidth (230GB/second) and another 48GB/second for I/O.
That's probably where most of that power goes.

FYI Intel Xeon E5 is up 160W.

Addendum:

> I'm not sure what to think of IBM's idea to go backwards in time and turn the
> memory controller into a separate chip again.

"Interestingly, IBM, at the behest of the hyperscalers participating in the OpenPower effort, is dropping its “Centaur” memory buffer from the memory hierarchy with the Power9 chip aimed at scale-out architectures."
http://www.nextplatform.com/2016/04/06/inside-future-google-rackspace-power9-system/

"The other big change with the Power9 SO chip is that IBM is going to allow the memory controllers on the die to reach out directly and control external DDR4 main memory rather than have to work through the “Centaur” memory buffer chip that is used with the Power8 chips. This memory buffering [...] is a hassle for entry systems designs and overkill for machines with one or two sockets. Hence, it is being dropped."
http://www.nextplatform.com/2016/04/07/ibm-unfolds-power-chip-roadmap-past-2020/

Current POWER roadmap depiction:
http://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/5_Brad-McCredie.IBM_.pdf (page 3)

POWER9 details:
http://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/5_Brad-McCredie.IBM_.pdf (page 7)

List of OpenPOWER-certified products:
http://openpowerfoundation.org/new_resource_types/openpower-ready-products/


Edit: added more links

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 18.09.2018 - 14:16 ]

Update:

>> Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
>> mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
>> http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

> Reduced to 3000 USD.

Raised to 3700 USD.

Cool another unbuyable and powerfull motherboard !

I must admit that power8 is awsome but it's to expensive. The great thing is that all the moterboard is ducumented due to the open concept.

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>>> Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
>>> mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
>>> http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

>> Reduced to 3000 USD.

> Raised to 3700 USD.

New info:
- board will also be available without CPU for 2700 USD (i.e. stock CPU is 1000 USD)
- mock-ups of board layout and rear I/O connectors

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If it will feature also a M.2 port for system native SSD HD, it will be really awesome!

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Are you sure the board comes without a cpu?
I can't find that detail in the survey form.

The details are impressive and the price is very good compared to X5000. I would like to see MorphOS on that.

>> board will also be available without CPU for 2700 USD (i.e. stock CPU is 1000 USD)

> Are you sure the board comes without a cpu?

Optionally, yes. From the website:

"If you opt to purchase a more powerful POWER8 CPU (sold separately), the standalone Talos board and accessories (no CPU) may be purchased for around $2,700 USD."

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Maybe you should contact the company making those boards and ask if they would offer a discount for a volume purchase of 50 or 100, and how much that discount would be. Then of course you would need a commitment from the MorphOS Dev Team for porting MorphOS to that board & CPU, and finally, you would need to find 50 to 100 existing MorphOS users who would give you their money for the purchase price, so they could not back out of the deal later and leave you with the possibility of cancelling the deal, or trying to come up with the money missing, from any people who changed their minds during the production process.

Not likely to get the MorphOS Dev. Team to agree to such a port, but maybe if you and the group interested in buying such expensive motherboards and CPU's would also have enough money to purchase 3 or 4 extra boards to donate to the MorphOS Dev. Team, as payment for doing the port of MorphOS to your desired hardware.

Again, not likely to happen.

> Maybe you should contact the company making those boards and ask if they would offer
> a discount for a volume purchase of 50 or 100

"Special offers and/or pricing may be available on orders of 10 units or more"
http://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/faq.php

> you would need to find 50 to 100 existing MorphOS users who would give you their money
> for the purchase price, so they could not back out of the deal later and leave you with the
> possibility of cancelling the deal, or trying to come up with the money missing, from any
> people who changed their minds during the production process.

Advance payment will be required anyway:

"We are currently targeting an initial down payment of $1,000 USD. This is non-refundable once the project starts, and reserves a Talos mainboard for you from the initial manufacturing run."
http://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/faq.php

You know, I don't think there are 50-100 of us willing to prepay for a place at the table.
I like the idea, but I am not that practical when it comes to my interests.

AND...if there were 50-100 of us willing to go there, we'd be spending a lot of money to further distance ourselves from our current hardware.

Nice pipe dream, but...

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Agreed, however neither AROS, MorphOS or AmigaOS 4 support it.

However, Linux support is great.

IF we only could do MOS and OS4 ports, that would give us much better future.

> IF we only could do MOS and OS4 ports, that would give us much better future.

From a year ago:

"I actually wrote the MorphOS team asking to join in; I would love to begin working on porting it to Power8 now that there is reference platform hardware available. FWIW, I have worked closely with or befriended OS developers ranging from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, PCBSD (I was part of wheel for pcbsd.org), OS X, newos, BeOS, iOS, WebOS, Windows, Debian and Ubuntu. [...] if you know any on the MorphOS team; I really, really want to help move that project forward into the future. I can find many ways to get a paycheck, but I would rather be doing so working on a project that I love!"
https://jonlennartaasenden.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/amiga-programmer-looking-for-work/#comments

;-)

Update:

> IBM's OpenPOWER-based HPC roadmap shows POWER8+ with NVLink in 2016

POWER8+ released as 'POWER8 with NVLink':

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/50479.wss
https://www.ibm.com/blogs/systems/ibms-new-openpower-lc-servers/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER8#POWER8_with_NVLink

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Neat, but since we don't support Nvidia gpus...

Update:

> POWER9 details:
> http://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/5_Brad-McCredie.IBM_.pdf
> (page 7)

More details from 2½ weeks ago:

http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-1.jpg
http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-2.jpg
http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-3.jpg
http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-4.jpg
http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-5.jpg
http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-6.jpg
http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-7.jpg
http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-8.jpg
http://img.digitaltrends.com/image/power9-slide-9.jpg
http://www.nextplatform.com/2016/08/24/big-blue-aims-sky-power9/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER9