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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12146 from 2003/5/22
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    Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation mainboard for 3100 USD.

    Main specs:
    - 1x 8-core POWER8 (10 and 12 cores as options)
    - 8x DDR3 RDIMM slot
    - 2x PCIe x16
    - 4x PCIe x8
    - 1x PCI
    - 6x SATA3
    - 8x USB3
    - 2x GbE
    - 1x HDMI

    http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php
    http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_specs.php
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
    From: Stockholm, Sweden
    That would be quite a cool candidate for a multicore 64 bit MorphOS system :-) It's not much more expensive than a X5000 but with a lot more punch. And I could use it for years and years without it getting too slow for mainstream stuff.

    [ Edited by Yasu 04.02.2016 - 12:23 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    It's not much more expensive than a X5000


    Let's meditate upon this fact for a while...

    ;-)
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    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
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  • Jim
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    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation mainboard for 3100 USD.

    Main specs:
    - 1x 8, 10 or 12-core POWER8
    - 8x DDR3 RDIMM slot
    - 2x PCIe x16
    - 4x PCIe x8
    - 1x PCI
    - 6x SATA3
    - 8x USB3
    - 2x GbE
    - 1x HDMI

    http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php
    http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_specs.php


    Oh yeah, I like that.
    We can all dream what could have been.

    Then again, hey Mark, how much do you want to port to this?
    I'd be dumb enough to buy one.
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  • »04.02.16 - 21:28
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
    From: Stockholm, Sweden
    @Jim

    A free board plus peripherals plus pocket change? That won't be cheap ...
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    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
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    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    @Jim

    A free board plus peripherals plus pocket change? That won't be cheap ...


    Free? Come to think of it, we have some of those now.
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  • »05.02.16 - 12:32
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    ausPPC
    Posts: 543 from 2007/8/6
    From: Pending...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/02/08/189253/talos-secure-workstation-is-free-software-centric-and-3100-updated
    PPC assembly ain't so bad... ;)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 556 from 2015/6/18
    From: Funeralopolis
    First benchmarks:
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=talos-workstation&num=1

    Not too bad!
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12146 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    > Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    > mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]

    The minimum production quantity (and thus number of pre-orders) would be 2000 pieces according to this article:

    http://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-the-talos-project-wants-to-provide-an-open-and-expandable-power8-workstation/
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12146 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    > Habanero TN71-BP012 with SP012GMR board:
    > http://www.tyan.com/newsroom_pressroom_detail.aspx?id=1657
    > http://www.tyan.com/solutions/tyan_openpower_system.html
    > http://www.tyan.com/product_barebones_openpower_power8.aspx

    Seems Tyan also offers PowerCore CP1 chips as option:

    http://www.tyan.com/support_download_openpower.aspx?socketid=30
    http://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/OPR_TYAN_TN71-BP012_160316.pdf

    ...as do others:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.redpowerserver.com/products.asp?sid=3
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.redpowerserver.com/products.asp?sid=4
    http://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Approved-Zoom-Server-RedPOWER-C210C310-4.11.2016.pdf

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.nco-china.com.cn/7678.html
    http://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/OpenPOWER-Ready-Request-NL22051.docx


    Edit: added info from more vendors

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 08.09.2016 - 23:49 ]
  • »13.02.16 - 09:06
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12146 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Update:

    > Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    > mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
    > http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

    Reduced to 3000 USD.

    > Main specs: [...]
    > http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_specs.php

    mPCIe, eSATA3 and more SATA3 ports added. New main specs are:

    - 1x 8-core POWER8 (10 and 12 cores as options)
    - 8x DDR3 RDIMM slot
    - 2x PCIe x16
    - 4x PCIe x8
    - 1x mPCIe x1
    - 1x PCI
    - 8x SATA3
    - 2x eSATA3
    - 8x USB3
    - 2x GbE
    - 1x HDMI
  • »14.02.16 - 21:25
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12146 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    > The minimum production quantity (and thus number of pre-orders) would be 2000 pieces
    > according to this article: [...]

    ...or 1500:

    http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11133933
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
    From: Stockholm, Sweden
    How much electricity does one of these consume compared to a typical PC?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 570 from 2007/7/29
    Up to 190W I read somewhere on their page. So it is similar to a Mac G5 or Mac Pro (around 200 W and more). What is a typical PC then? Office one? THey use less. Gamer PC? Some graphics card need 200 W and then you can add all other components. You can end up at 500 or 750 W for that. For a standard desktop usually 50 - 100 W. But if we could so much power like from this machine I would accept 190 W as well. Just not for a 10 year old G5 with tiny performance compared to that.
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    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
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    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    How much electricity does one of these consume compared to a typical PC?


    From the specs, it would appear to be no higher than a lower end AMD eight core system (less than a high end AMD cpu).

    Intel hardware would offer a power advantage, but if we were really focused solely on power draw there are lower draw PPCs.

    In terms of power vs performance, Power 8 actually looks pretty good.

    Now Talos' performance per dollar ratio?
    Not so good.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13
    Now this is something I'd consider dropping some serious scratch on for PPC, if we were staying PPC. A much, much better value than A-Eonkit's offerings.


    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    Update:

    > Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    > mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
    > http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

    Reduced to 3000 USD.

    > Main specs: [...]
    > http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_specs.php

    mPCIe, eSATA3 and more SATA3 ports added. New main specs are:

    - 1x 8-core POWER8 (10 and 12 cores as options)
    - 8x DDR3 RDIMM slot
    - 2x PCIe x16
    - 4x PCIe x8
    - 1x mPCIe x1
    - 1x PCI
    - 8x SATA3
    - 2x eSATA3
    - 8x USB3
    - 2x GbE
    - 1x HDMI
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12146 from 2003/5/22
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    > Up to 190W I read somewhere on their page.

    ...for the POWER8 chip, not for the board let alone entire system.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12146 from 2003/5/22
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    > In terms of power vs performance, Power 8 actually looks pretty good.

    Even Raptor Engineering acknowledges that x86 and ARM offer more performance per Watt than POWER8.

    http://static.rpteng.com/TALOS/images/3wq4uy8w9ote8v9o3tg34t.png
  • »25.02.16 - 20:26
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    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > In terms of power vs performance, Power 8 actually looks pretty good.

    Even Raptor Engineering acknowledges that x86 and ARM offer more performance per Watt than POWER8.

    http://static.rpteng.com/TALOS/images/3wq4uy8w9ote8v9o3tg34t.png


    My opinion about that is purely anecdotal.

    [ Edited by Jim 28.02.2016 - 14:37 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    minator
    Posts: 370 from 2003/3/28
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Up to 190W I read somewhere on their page.

    ...for the POWER8 chip, not for the board let alone entire system.


    POWER8 has absolutely massive memory bandwidth (230GB/second) and another 48GB/second for I/O.
    That's probably where most of that power goes.

    FYI Intel Xeon E5 is up 160W.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12146 from 2003/5/22
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    Update:

    >> Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation
    >> mainboard for 3100 USD. [...]
    >> http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

    > Reduced to 3000 USD.

    Raised to 3700 USD.
  • »07.04.16 - 15:50
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 165 from 2004/11/18
    Cool another unbuyable and powerfull motherboard !
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
    Posts: 165 from 2004/11/18
    I must admit that power8 is awsome but it's to expensive. The great thing is that all the moterboard is ducumented due to the open concept.
  • »08.04.16 - 13:40
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