>> Btw, does anybody have news on the P-Cubed?

> The low cost PPC they were planning?

Yes, this thing.

> Do you think Power8 will supplant the PPC?

No, as the POWER8 *is* a PPC :-)

>Yes, this thing.

Somebody has been spending time studying low cost ARM platforms.

>No, as the POWER8 *is* a PPC

A valid point. Power8 is Power.

Update:

> http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh042814-story02.html [...]
> http://www.enterprisetech.com/2014/04/28/inside-google-tyan-power8-server-boards/

No price mentioned, but OpenPOWER members can now order the SP010 reference board from Tyan:

http://openpowerfoundation.org/blogs/blogpost1/

Update:

> OpenPOWER members can now order the SP010 reference board from Tyan

SP010GM2NR reference board now available from Tyan as complete system (Palmetto GN70-BP010) also for non-members for 2753 USD:

http://www.tyan.com/newsroom_pressroom_detail.aspx?id=1648
http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/

Would that computer be even remotely useful in a MorphOS context, hypothetically? It's one thing that it's PPC, all components must nevertheless be port friendly to be useful to us.

I could see myself buying one to run "MorphOS NG" on it though

[ Edited by Yasu 22.11.2014 - 01:16 ]

>> SP010GM2NR reference board now available from Tyan as complete system
>> (Palmetto GN70-BP010)

> Would that computer be even remotely useful in a MorphOS context, hypothetically?
> [...] all components must nevertheless be port friendly to be useful to us.

Apart from the POWER8 "Turismo" and accompanying Centaur chip from IBM, according to http://www.tyan.com/manuals/SP010_QIG_v1%200.pdf the major on-board peripheral controllers are these:

- SATA3: Marvell 88SE9235
- USB3: TI TUSB7340
- GbE: Broadcom BCM5718

Given that Ubuntu Linux is the recommended OS for this board/system, there should be open source drivers.

Linux is everywhere like The Plague. Port MorphOS to the new device instead.

Update:

> IBM "has been designing the Power9 processor for quite a while already".

POWER9 supercomputers announced for 2017:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8727/nvidia-ibm-supercomputers

Update:

> SP010GM2NR reference board now available from Tyan as complete system
> (Palmetto GN70-BP010) also for non-members for 2753 USD

Promotion extended and price increased to 2850 USD:

http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/

> PowerCore, I don't recognize that one. Any info?

"At the center of China’s emerging OpenPOWER-based ecosystem is CP1, the first POWER chip for the China market, from a Chinese chip design company named PowerCore. The first China OpenPOWER system with CP1 will come to market this year. CP1 will be utilized by Zoom Netcom for a new line of servers called RedPower, the first China OpenPOWER two-socket system coming to market in 2015."
http://openpowerfoundation.org/press-releases/openpower-foundation-technology-leaders-unveil-hardware-solutions-to-deliver-new-server-alternatives/
http://openpowersummit2015.tumblr.com/factsheet

"Suzhou PowerCore Technology Co. Ltd plans to deliver working versions of its CP1 (below) this summer. It will come in 8-, 10 and 12-core versions, each with a 64K data cache and 32K instruction cache. Like the IBM chip, the CP1 has 96MB of L3 cache, 115GB/s memory bandwidth and can support 32 lanes of PCIe 3.0."
http://m.eetasia.com/ART_8800710927_480100_NT_1cc78541_3.HTM

Website: http://www.powercore.com.cn/en/


Edit: Seems the CP1 has been renamed the HX-C1000.

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 26.08.2023 - 00:21 ]

Update:

> SP010GM2NR reference board now available from Tyan as complete system
> (Palmetto GN70-BP010)

Habanero TN71-BP012 with SP012GMR board:

http://www.tyan.com/newsroom_pressroom_detail.aspx?id=1657
http://www.tyan.com/solutions/tyan_openpower_system.html
http://www.tyan.com/product_barebones_openpower_power8.aspx

I couldn't find any pricing info, but the new board has 2 additional PCIe x8 slots compared to the older SP010 board.

Some coverage of the openpower summit here:

http://www.moorinsightsstrategy.com/ocp-us-summit-and-openpower-summit/

There's a couple of the boards near the end.

Do you think 32 memory slots is enough?

Quote:

Yes, when we have 31 bits to address them. (and perhaps some extended mem, LOL!)

Update:

> "At the center of China’s emerging OpenPOWER-based ecosystem is CP1, the first
> POWER chip for the China market, from a Chinese chip design company named
> PowerCore. The first China OpenPOWER system with CP1 will come to market this year.
> CP1 will be utilized by Zoom Netcom for a new line of servers called RedPower,
> the first China OpenPOWER two-socket system coming to market in 2015."
> http://openpowerfoundation.org/press-releases/openpower-foundation-technology-leaders-unveil-hardware-solutions-to-deliver-new-server-alternatives/
> http://openpowersummit2015.tumblr.com/factsheet

"Suzhou PowerCore Technology Co., Ltd. announced general availability of CP1, the first POWER chip for the China market [...]. Customers may begin placing orders today."
http://openpowerfoundation.org/press-releases/openpower-accelerates-open-innovation-with-new-member-products-and-free-development-cloud/

PowerCore press release:
http://www.powercore.com.cn/en/?p=131

Addendum:

> POWER9 supercomputers announced for 2017:
> http://www.anandtech.com/show/8727/nvidia-ibm-supercomputers

IBM's OpenPOWER-based HPC roadmap shows POWER8+ with NVLink in 2016 and POWER9 with PCIe 4.0 and enhanced CAPI and NVLink in 2017.

Addendum:

> IBM's OpenPOWER-based HPC roadmap shows POWER8+ with NVLink in 2016
> and POWER9 with PCIe 4.0 and enhanced CAPI and NVLink in 2017.

POWER10 has emerged on the roadmap a month ago:
http://www.theplatform.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ibm-power-roadmap.jpg

More roadmap depictions:
http://regmedia.co.uk/2016/04/06/power_roadmap_crop.jpg
https://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/5_Brad-McCredie.IBM_.pdf (page 3)
https://openpowerfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2-Fields-Borker-OpenPOWERRoadmap.pdf (page 7)

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 25.03.2018 - 00:26 ]

Update:

> Promotion extended and price increased to 2850 USD:
> http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/

A-Eon core Linux development and support team member says:

"This is not available for purchase. Call them and try. You will be told exactly what I was, when I attempted to purchase one. These were reference design early sale systems."
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=797775

> What they really need to do is cost reduce the POWER8 chip.

The price of the 3.42 GHz 10-core version of the POWER8 chip has been revealed as "around $1500":

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9567/the-power-8-review-challenging-the-intel-xeon-/17

I've yet to find prices for the PowerCore CP1.

> Xilinx two steps down from Altera. Interesting.

Xilinx now top level. Altera out.

http://openpowerfoundation.org/membership/current-members/
http://press.xilinx.com/2015-11-16-IBM-and-Xilinx-Announce-Strategic-Collaboration-to-Accelerate-Data-Center-Applications
http://investor.altera.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=83265&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2055006

Update:

> POWER9 [...] in 2017

Apparently, POWER9 will implement the new Power ISA 3.0.

https://www.sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2015-11/msg00071.html
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/fe313521-2e95-46f2-817d-44a4f27eba32/entry/Announcing_a_New_Era_of_Openness_with_Power_3_0?lang=en
http://openpowerfoundation.org/blogs/power-3-0/
http://openpowerfoundation.org/presentations/entering-a-new-era-of-openness-with-power-3-0/
http://www.docdroid.net/file/download/tWT7hjD/powerisa-v30.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_ISA#Power_ISA_v.3.0

Power ISA 3.0b published in March 2017:
https://openpowerfoundation.org/?resource_lib=power-isa-version-3-0

Significant quote from Power ISA 3.0 spec:
"In 2006, Freescale and IBM collaborated on the creation of the Power ISA Version 2.03, which represented the reunification of the architecture by combining Book E content with the more general purpose PowerPC Version 2.02. Power ISA Version 3.0 continues this integration by providing a single Book III for all Power implementations, and also by eliminating optional architecture categories to ensure increased application portability between Power processors."

Updated quote from Power ISA 3.0b spec:
"In 2006, Freescale and IBM collaborated on the creation of the Power ISA Version 2.03, which represented the reunification of the architecture by combining Book E content with the more general purpose PowerPC Version 2.02. The resulting architecture included environment-specific privileged architecture optimizations (two Book IIIs) and optional application-specific facilities (categories) as extensions to a pervasive base architecture. Power ISA Version 3.0 B focuses this integration by choosing a single Book III and a set of widely used categories to become part of the base architecture for all forward-looking Power implementations. All other optional architecture categories have been eliminated to ensure increased application portability between Power processors. Legacy embedded applications that require the eliminated material will continue to use V. 2.07B."

Funny thing to say that Power ISA 3.0 "continues" or "focuses" the integration of PowerPC ISA and Book E ISA, when in fact it essentially *reverts* this integration by eliminating the parts that Book E ISA had brought into it.


Edit: added more links
Edit2: added Power ISA 3.0b
Edit3: added quotes and comment

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 05.03.2019 - 12:07 ]

Raptor Engineering Inc. pre-announces Talos, an OpenPOWER ATX workstation mainboard for 3100 USD.

Main specs:
- 1x 8-core POWER8 (10 and 12 cores as options)
- 8x DDR3 RDIMM slot
- 2x PCIe x16
- 4x PCIe x8
- 1x PCI
- 6x SATA3
- 8x USB3
- 2x GbE
- 1x HDMI

http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease.php
http://www.raptorengineeringinc.com/TALOS/prerelease_specs.php

That would be quite a cool candidate for a multicore 64 bit MorphOS system It's not much more expensive than a X5000 but with a lot more punch. And I could use it for years and years without it getting too slow for mainstream stuff.

[ Edited by Yasu 04.02.2016 - 12:23 ]

Quote:

Let's meditate upon this fact for a while...

Quote:

Oh yeah, I like that.
We can all dream what could have been.

Then again, hey Mark, how much do you want to port to this?
I'd be dumb enough to buy one.

@Jim

A free board plus peripherals plus pocket change? That won't be cheap ...