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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9831 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    >> I think OS4 has more OS developers than two.

    > I have heard that rumor too

    Funny one :-)

    > but every time someone brings up OS4 development they mention the Freiden brothers.

    That's because those 2 are at the very core and are the only ones supposedly being paid fulltime for OS4 development (see how "100K euro per year" is a usual salary for 2 contracted senior programmers in Germany?). If this meant they were the only ones, MorphOS would have no OS developers by that logic.

    > So far, I have not seen anyone else make a credible claim that they were working on OS4.

    Huh? Where have you been looking for these claims? Surely not on the official Hyperion blog or official Hyperion support forum (or Amigans.net).

    "Alex Carmona and Lyle Hazelwood"
    http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=724

    "Fredrik Wikström"
    http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=736

    "Thomas "imagodespira" Claus and Frank "Goos McGuile" Menzel"
    http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=936

    Those alone are 5 people. Other people claimed to be current OS4 developers from http://www.amigaos.net/content/11/credits include:

    Colin Wenzel
    Costel Mincea
    Hans de Ruiter
    Karl Churchill
    Martin Merz
    Massimiliano Tretene
    Peter Gordon
    Philippe Ferrucci
    Sebastian Bauer
    Simon Archer
    Steven Solie
    Thore Böckelmann
    Tony Wyatt

    ... essentially every Hyperion Support Forum member with "AmigaOS Core Developer" status. I'm sure there're even more names from the AmigaOS credits page who claim or are claimed to be currently active in the OS4 project.
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    Posts: 52 from 2010/6/23
    Quote:

    Crumb schrieb:

    The updates seem minimal, latest one just included AmiUpdate, it's like claiming AmigaOS3.x is continuously evolving because Grunch was released for it :-)

    This is only *one* of those uneducated assumptions you made.

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    I just mean OS4 has little to offer for MorphOS and that OS4 is heading towards a linux-like system, something that is not Amiga/MorphOS phylosophy...

    ...and another one. You can't be more wrong. But hey, just go on - we're on the blue side of things here. People like Jim will believe you, no problem.

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    IMHO MorphOS Team should stay away from Hyperion&Ben Hermans.

    Not only in your humble opinion. Since "then" everything's coming out just niceley here, so there's no reason to change this.

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    OS4 will probably vanish alone due to the incompetence of its management

    It won't. No, really. It will not go away...
    II/G4
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    Jim
    Posts: 4629 from 2009/1/28
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    "People like Jim will believe you, no problem."

    I find that more than vaguely offensive.
    First, there is no one like me.
    Second, I'd place no more faith in an unsupported claim from a MorphOS user than I would an OS4 user.

    And on that point, thanks again Andreas.
    The last time I tried to find some information on OS4 it was so disorganized and scattered amongst several sites that I almost gave up.
    That has not encouraged me to continue exploring.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1723 from 2012/3/22
    From: Stockholm, Sweden
    It doesn't matter guys! This hypothetical merge will simply not happen.

    This discussion will take us nowhere.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9831 from 2003/5/22
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    > The last time I tried to find some information on OS4 it was so disorganized and
    > scattered amongst several sites that I almost gave up. That has not encouraged
    > me to continue exploring.

    The two main OS4 resources are:

    http://www.amigaos.net
    http://wiki.amigaos.net

    None of those sites has a list of the currently active OS developers, but that shouldn't be needed for exploring the OS.
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    Jim
    Posts: 4629 from 2009/1/28
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    No, knowledge of the OS4 developers is not really necessary.
    And curiously enough, I have grown rather sympathetic to the situation the Frieden brothers have found themselves in.
    Amiga fanatics can be a little abusive (as MorphOS supporters have probably noticed).

    If you disregard Ben's part in this endeavor, these are just to contracted developers trying to take on a really large project.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    Posts: 4629 from 2009/1/28
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    Quote:

    Yasu wrote:
    It doesn't matter guys! This hypothetical merge will simply not happen.

    This discussion will take us nowhere.


    And that IS the central point.
    They developed an entire operating system rather than cooperate, so why would they shift direction now?
    AND why would our developers want to pursue that idea?

    Let's just move on in the direction already mapped.
    I'm ready and want to see where OUR developers would take this.

    Amiga is a dead issue.
    Cursed (might have even done in a hardy weasel like Barry Altman - God rest his soul).
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1723 from 2012/3/22
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    Jim,
    Quote:

    Let's just move on in the direction already mapped.
    I'm ready and want to see where OUR developers would take this.

    Amiga is a dead issue.



    Though I do think there should be more cross compiling from third party developers. A lot of games and programs could/would/should work for all three platforms and that would automatically mean more potential revenues. Not much, granted, but having a little more income has to be better than to keep yelling "No! I'm not porting this for OS YYY because I only like OS ZZZ!".

    I don't think the Amiga is *dead* (terribly small and without commercial posibility maybe, but not dead). There is still so much love and will to push forward that we have 3 whole useful (more or less) OS's to choose from. What other OS from over 20 years ago can brag about that? BeOS? OS/2? I don't think so :-)
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    Jim
    Posts: 4629 from 2009/1/28
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    I actually dug out a copy of OS/2 to play around with an ISA video digitizer I had, but that OS can be tricky to find for download (Windows, unfortunately, is much easier).

    BeOS, Haiku, one of these days...

    I guess I was being a little hard on Amiga OS.

    And I don't see MorphOS developers unwilling to port to other NG OS' (now the other direction...).
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1723 from 2012/3/22
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    To parapharase the guy at Osnews.com: "the only place where something interesting is always happening when it comes to obscure OS developments is the Amiga camp."
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9831 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Maybe this guy is doing something...

    A year later:

    http://portingwx.blogspot.com/2013/12/game-over-play-again.html
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    Jim
    Posts: 4629 from 2009/1/28
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    One blog entry for the entire year...
    Me thinks he is not trying that hard.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 9831 from 2003/5/22
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    > Hermans from Hyperion also joined in the bashing, claiming that MorphOS was
    > based on stolen AmigaOS 3.1 code

    Hyperionmp today:

    "other "variants" of AmigaOS (not based on original source-code although there is some debate about that)"
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35072&forum=32&start=360#738206

    ;-)
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1723 from 2012/3/22
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    It's pretty telling that most Hyperion bashing nowadays comes from their own camp :-P
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