I think the OS4 people and MorphOS people will never ever come together and join forces in order to make a real next generation ' Amiga OS' for what ever that might be for someone.

So lets stop with OS3 legacy and focus on Morphos OS4 that really breaks legacy. There is no longer need for 680x0 emulation inside the OS when you can use UAE (how to update that code?). MUI as a system, is really old. I would choose to go for QT, well maintained, powerfull, huge collection of software, etc.

The internals of the kernel are now based on the way it is compatible with all kinds of code that expects exec to be there. A new generation of kernels can do memory protection, decent process management etc.

AHI is also a legacy system, build upon amiga hardware, that had added sound capabilities while every system I know of, except for those people that actually use an Amiga with PPC board (do they still exist and function) has to use AHI because the Amiga hardware is simply not there.

And so the Amiga's of today drag along old hardware workarounds and software work arounds while it is time to say goodbye.

If I compare AROS with MorphOS, MorphOS wins, because its a consistent package. Aros is still the promise of the Amiga 'future' but every time I try it, it fails to deliver. To slow etc. Aros and MorphOS together would certainly ' kill ' AmigaOS 4 because its a real next gen OS that can run on affordable hardware.

If a projectmanager for such a monumental operation is required, you know where to find me :)

I don't see the point in turning MorphOS into a Linux clone, just use Linux.

Or OS4 as it has become a pale imitation of Linux minus memory protection. ;)

I agree. You want Amiga to become Linux, so why not just switch to Linux?
I can run Linux anytime I want, but I do not because I like Amiga.

Oh please. Going NG doesn't mean going Linux.

Agreed with last comment. I have been using Linux, Mac and Windows, Aros and now Morphos and they all have a special flavor. Since I like the occasional computergame, I always have a Windows X in a multiboot environment with Linux Mint. I would gladly swap the Linux part for any amiga based OS if it just had the same tools. There is an enormous distance between Linux and Morphos and changing the kernel doesn't make it a Linux clone unless you continue at that level and say that even Windows is a linux clone because that kernel also have a solid taskmanagement, memory protection, multitasking etc.

How many of you can do everything with MorphOs? Be honest, what is keeping Morphos back? If the old software architecture is keeping modern technologies away from the systems users, then we should be honest about it and accept that the software architecture in the 80's was a valid one, but 30 years later not so much.

NG is the survival of MorphOS, because my kids look at it, play with it and conclude: nah doesn't work.

Roland,
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I'm not...
It is a nice, but a huge library and a whole bunch of developers working on it.
I think, it is a too big task to port it.

Maybe wxWidgets is more lighter than QT, and also has the lots of great apps...

But still, the question is why should we use these tools from Linux? There will probably always be some missing things if porting these programs. (a depending library, sound system, etc.)
On the other hand, if you want to port a bigger program, and it has some working part (at last the GUI/Networking/...), it is mauch easier to port.

Maybe a guy is working on the wxWidgets porting to ng Amiga OSs, but I will belive it, when I see the working wx apps!

QT or wxWidgets in NG? Only if some 3rd party developer ports these.

Maybe this guy is doing something...

A lot of new things can be done under the hood. People often mistake the OS from the gui. I think a new kernel would be a great way forward. MUI/Reaction/WXwindows/QT, GTK, they only work because there is a kernel that offers services they need.

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Replacing MUI with QT doesn't make sense though.

Adding it as a 3rd party option is fine and it will bring some good apps but I'd personally rather have MUI apps where possible.

I've used Linux probably everyday since the mid 90's and its my main OS. KDE is my desktop of choice too so I'm a big fan of QT.

I just don't fancy the idea of NG MorphOS being QT based.

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MorphOS already runs on the Quark microkernel, I assume that any NG MorphOS would be developed seperately from the A/Box and run side by side.

At least I think that was the idea for the Q/Box and A/Box when it was first proposed.

I don't know, I'm just speculating really. Only the MorphOS team know for sure.

> I think, it is a too big task to port it.

http://www.amigabounty.net/index.php?function=viewproject&projectid=46
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewforum.php?forum=38
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=development/cross/qt.tar.gz
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtamigaosnative/

> Maybe a guy is working on the wxWidgets porting to ng Amiga OSs

See dekanyz's posting. Project seems to be dead, though.

Intuition,
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Agree... but wxWidgets is a better solution, because it is just a wrapper to the host OS's native libraries.
On MorphOS it could create the GUIs using MUI, what has many advantages.

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Well there's always this too: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtk-mui/ :)

Is the gtk-mui project still living?

I checked the QT vs. OS4 links....
I afraid, the OS4 guys had paid the lot of cash for nothing again.

I do not wonder too much, because the Trolltech guys also spent years with optimizing QT to run fast, and maybe it was a bigger development 'team'. The versions before QT4 weren't famous about their speed, besides the library itself were lighter.

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Sourceforge page says "Last Update: 2013-05-09"

Always funny to see how people are able to discuss things they apparently don't know or use.

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I can't speak for the other posters in this thread but I use Linux, QT and MorphOS everyday. I used to use OS4 but I don't have the hardware anymore.

So yes I do "apparently know and use" the things we are discussing.

Do you?

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Personally,I think you guys expect a lot from our small group of developers.
I think what they've managed to accomplish is pretty outstanding.
If we never see Qbox or an ISA change,so what.

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+1. I'm happy with what we've got. Any updates are just a nice bonus.

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We don't even know what Quark can do.
Since it was intended from the start to move to a Qbox, maybe Quark doesn't require replacement as much as upgrades.

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The AROS version is still maintained and used in Janus-UAE.

But I am not adding new features. Just some smaller things from time to time, especially if Janus-UAE needs some stuff.

> it was intended from the start to move to a Qbox

See quote and last link there:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=8904&start=112

"Qbox" was a name/fantasy invented by Thendic over 10 years ago. [...] A misunderstanding of how MorphOS works"

Andreas, normally it does not take you this long to dig up a quote you have already referenced.
But I will admit that that one is telling.

If that is the case, then Quark may not be suited to some of the things people have been asking for.

After all, the last micro kernel based OS I used has never been updated to handle more than one core.

> normally it does not take you this long to dig up a quote you have already referenced.

Long? I referenced the quote 1 minute prior to posting to this thread as can be seen by the edit note in the other thread. And the quote of bigfoot's IRC statement (which indicates "08-12", so could mean 12-Aug-2013 or 08-Dec-2012 or 12-Aug-2012) was put to amigaworld.net only hours before.