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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:

    http://www.sasg.com/mui/:
    Magic User Interface, Copyright © 1992-2013, Stefan Stuntz


    BTW, the calendar has now switched to the year 2014...

    ;-)
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
  • »19.01.14 - 10:09
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
    Paladin of the Pegasos
    Intuition
    Posts: 1113 from 2013/5/24
    From: Nederland
    I wonder what the true believers would have to say if the next MorphOS update came with a copy of the 3.1 bundled with E-UAE "Just to see if the copyright holder complains"?
    1.67GHz 15" PowerBook G4, 1GB RAM, 128MB Radeon 9700M Pro, 64GB SSD, MorphOS 3.15

    2.7GHz DP G5, 4GB RAM, 512MB Radeon X1950 Pro, 500GB SSHD, MorphOS 3.9
  • »19.01.14 - 11:48
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  • Butterfly
    Butterfly
    eliyahu
    Posts: 67 from 2011/4/21
    i don't suppose anyone here has considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, this was done with stuntzi's approval?

    -- eliyahu
  • »19.01.14 - 13:31
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  • Moderator
    Kronos
    Posts: 2380 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    eliyahu wrote:
    i don't suppose anyone here has considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, this was done with stuntzi's approval?

    -- eliyahu




    You mean 1st removing the need for a keyfile and then adding it back in a week later ?

    No, haven't considered that....


    As for wether those people have the right to develop "their" MUI further and change the version-number .... *shrug* .... can't say that I really care much.
  • »19.01.14 - 13:41
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    stephen_robinson
    Posts: 746 from 2007/4/22
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > hyperion paid for it

    ...or not:

    http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=86246#forumpost86246
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.os4welt.de/viewtopic.php?p=20422%23p20422


    Kuntz, lol.
  • »19.01.14 - 14:33
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  • MorphOS Developer
    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
    From: Finland
    Quote:

    eliyahu wrote:
    i don't suppose anyone here has considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, this was done with stuntzi's approval?



    It wasnt.
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
  • »19.01.14 - 15:43
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    kamelito
    Posts: 103 from 2011/9/21
    How about a Morphos bounty for MUI 5?
    Kamelito
  • »19.01.14 - 15:49
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  • Jim
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Quote:

    vox wrote:

    With so many shared components AmigaOS 5 united seems inevitable more then ever.


    Well, I suppose that this is *one* interpretation of the situation...

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


    Oh my, AOS5 again.
    Such recurrent optimism.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »19.01.14 - 16:07
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  • Moderator
    Kronos
    Posts: 2380 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    kamelito wrote:
    How about a Morphos bounty for MUI 5?
    Kamelito


    ????????????

    How about you listing what you think is missing in MUI4.2 ?
  • »19.01.14 - 16:17
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Georg
    Posts: 121 from 2004/4/7
    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:

    Embarrassing is what it is! That post by "tommy sammy" linked to above is astonishing, what it says is that Stefan Stuntz only developed MUI between 1992-2006, since then MUI4 is copyrighted/developed (2006-2013) by "the MUI4 team".




    In MorphOS similiar copyright lines are used for code based on AROS. For example "version LIBS:locale.library FULL" gives "(c) 1996-2003 AROS, (c) 2003-2013 MorphOS Team".
  • »19.01.14 - 16:37
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  • Jim
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Quote:

    Georg wrote:
    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:

    Embarrassing is what it is! That post by "tommy sammy" linked to above is astonishing, what it says is that Stefan Stuntz only developed MUI between 1992-2006, since then MUI4 is copyrighted/developed (2006-2013) by "the MUI4 team".




    In MorphOS similiar copyright lines are used for code based on AROS. For example "version LIBS:locale.library FULL" gives "(c) 1996-2003 AROS, (c) 2003-2013 MorphOS Team".




    There IS a slight difference in creating enhanced versions of open software and re-working copyrighted software.
    I'm pretty sure the latter is generally not legal unless permitted by the author.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »19.01.14 - 16:48
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
    Acolyte of the Butterfly
    kamelito
    Posts: 103 from 2011/9/21
    Quote:

    Kronos a écrit :
    Quote:

    kamelito wrote:
    How about a Morphos bounty for MUI 5?
    Kamelito


    ????????????

    How about you listing what you think is missing in MUI4.2 ?


    Everything needed to develop for Morphos at a faster rate,moving to something like Cocoa something like what was interface builder would be nice too.
    Expand MUI concept to the all system not just UI.
    Kamelito

    [ Edité par kamelito 19.01.2014 - 18:07 ]
  • »19.01.14 - 17:05
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2380 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:

    I'm pretty sure the latter is generally not legal unless permitted by the author.



    Geee, Ben you really managed to fool us for so long...................
  • »19.01.14 - 17:06
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2380 from 2003/2/24
    @kamelito

    An interface builder would not (and should not) be part of MUI, but a standalone (3rd party) app.

    [gag-order]
    ..................................
    [/gag-order]

    [ Edited by Kronos 19.01.2014 - 18:53 ]
  • »19.01.14 - 17:07
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  • Jim
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:

    I'm pretty sure the latter is generally not legal unless permitted by the author.



    Geee, Ben you really managed to fool us for so long...................



    That was low.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »19.01.14 - 17:43
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12275 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Would be even funnier if he refuses to issue any for OS4.

    I don't think you have to state your OS when ordering a keyfile as they are the same regardless of OS (and even MUI version). For at least 8 years he has issued generic (i.e. non-personalized) keyfiles anyway:

    http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=290719
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29636&forum=2&start=240#511286
  • »19.01.14 - 20:55
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  • Jim
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    In the long run, if Stephan doesn't object to his code being modified, all this discussion is pointless.
    OS4 users will benefit from this package, and maybe less code that is dependent on Reaction will be released.
    Maybe its time to be less combative about this subject.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »19.01.14 - 21:01
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12275 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Dates are just rough guestimates.

    Just to put some of them right:

    > - laire got the MUI3.8 sources sometime in 2001 and ported them to PPC
    > - this was released as MUI3.9 for MorphOS0.4 and went back into Stuntzi's SVN/CVS/?

    This was in 2000 and for MorphOS 0.2.

    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2000-05-00060-EN.html
    http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2000-10-00364-EN.html

    > - ca 2012 some OS4 contributors started retrofitting MUI4.x features into the MUI3.9 source tree

    This happened earlier:

    "Thore at tboeckel @ gmx . de, man who works 3 long years to make MUI4 and a bunch of related classes from scratch to OS4."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6971
  • »19.01.14 - 22:14
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
    Yokemate of Keyboards
    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12275 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > its not the same version as in MOS 4.2

    First MorphOS 4.6, now MorphOS 4.2. You seem to have some inside knowledge ;-)
  • »19.01.14 - 22:19
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12275 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > 1st removing the need for a keyfile and then adding it back in a week later

    Just for the record: it was about 3 weeks later. This is not to say that Stefan Stuntz took this long to complain, though.
  • »19.01.14 - 22:29
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    vox
    Posts: 616 from 2003/11/24
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Quote:

    vox wrote:

    With so many shared components AmigaOS 5 united seems inevitable more then ever.


    Well, I suppose that this is *one* interpretation of the situation...

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


    Oh my, AOS5 again.
    Such recurrent optimism.



    So we take Hyperion and AmigaInc out, call it OS5. Yes, real next gen OS, not transition.

    At other hand in hardware common database, SAM460 goes a bit more affordable
    even with OS 4.1 license. MOS team could negotiate if systems could be offered with MOS license instead, but that would required MOS boxed edition.
    http://amigastore.eu/en/125-sam460ex-2gb-ddr2-amigaos-41-.html
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    iMac G5 1GB with MorphOS and MacOS X
    Lame PC with AmiKit XE, Linux, AROS and sadly Win11
    Telegram MOS group: https://t.me/+zCLnwCvwhs4wMTI0
    Steam https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198164221485/
  • »23.01.14 - 09:13
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2380 from 2003/2/24
    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    MOS team could negotiate if systems could be offered with MOS license instead, but that would required MOS boxed edition.


    Huh ?
    Just install MorphOS + key before shipping -> no box required
    Maybe throw in a CD-R as backup -> still no box required
  • »23.01.14 - 09:20
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    vox
    Posts: 616 from 2003/11/24
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    MOS team could negotiate if systems could be offered with MOS license instead, but that would required MOS boxed edition.


    Huh ?
    Just install MorphOS + key before shipping -> no box required
    Maybe throw in a CD-R as backup -> still no box required



    I have to buy OS 4.1 sadly, that doubles software price.
    Try with AresOne PPC when done.

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37806&forum=33

    Also, I have found cheap MacMini, to test MOS while I wait.

    How suitable is this for current MorphOS and how can I triple boot MOS, PPC Linux and MacOS X?

    http://www.kupindo.com/Desktop-racunari/14168325_Apple-Mac-Mini-G4-Model-A1103-sa-monitorom

    Mac Mini prve generacije. 100% ispravan, ocuvan. Jos uvek je pogodan za svakodnevnu/kancelarijsku upotrebu.

    Also, I will sadly get 10.4 in German, how can I replace it with English version and is it last PPC version?

    Apple Mac Mini G4 Model: A1103 sa monitorom
    OS-X 10.4 Tiger (na nemackom jeziku)
    CPU G4 1.25GHz L2 Cache 512KB
    RAM 1GB
    Grafika ATI9200 32MB
    HDD 40GB
    CD/DVD kombo
    I/O: DVI, Ethernet, FireWire, 2XUSB, Audio Out
    Dimenzije: 170mm X 170mm X 51mm
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    iMac G5 1GB with MorphOS and MacOS X
    Lame PC with AmiKit XE, Linux, AROS and sadly Win11
    Telegram MOS group: https://t.me/+zCLnwCvwhs4wMTI0
    Steam https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198164221485/
  • »23.01.14 - 23:37
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  • Jim
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Jim
    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
    From: Delaware, USA
    No, the last version of OSX that supports PPC systems is 10.5 Leopard.
    Your Mac Mini should have no problem triple booting the three OS' you've mentioned.
    I haven't tried to do that recently, but I'd start by setting it up for dual booting (with OSX and MorphOS), the library has an article on that.

    Then add Linux.

    With the added qualifier that I'd probably set up the partitions for all three before setting up OSX (you can always change the file system they are set up for later).

    BTW, isn't the AresOne PPC basically the same as the SAM460 you already own?
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »23.01.14 - 23:48
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
    vox
    Posts: 616 from 2003/11/24
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    No, the last version of OSX that supports PPC systems is 10.5 Leopard.
    Your Mac Mini should have no problem triple booting the three OS' you've mentioned.
    I haven't tried to do that recently, but I'd start by setting it up for dual booting (with OSX and MorphOS), the library has an article on that.

    Then add Linux.

    With the added qualifier that I'd probably set up the partitions for all three before setting up OSX (you can always change the file system they are set up for later).

    BTW, isn't the AresOne PPC basically the same as the SAM460 you already own?


    MacOS X> Do I need to buy 10.5 English or I can upgrade 10.4 German for free to 10.5 (it is a legal copy)

    MOS and MacOS X> So I just install MorphOS and partition HDD leaving one more for MorphOS, one more for Linux and virtual mem. one?

    It will be a bit tricky with 40GB HDD, so I ll keep all 3 things minimal.

    Please direct me to article (direct link) or quote it.

    AresOne PPC> It is, but I had to BUY OS 4.1, I wonder will Ares Offer choice between AROS and MOS, MOS and OS4.1, AROS-MOS-OS 4.1, or just OS 4.1 and AROS ... If they do good AEROS is a great blend of AROS and Linux cutting more choices basically to two (I would use MOS and AEROS) but AEROS PPC is planned after 2015, ARM one has higher priority
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    iMac G5 1GB with MorphOS and MacOS X
    Lame PC with AmiKit XE, Linux, AROS and sadly Win11
    Telegram MOS group: https://t.me/+zCLnwCvwhs4wMTI0
    Steam https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198164221485/
  • »24.01.14 - 01:52
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