Hello,

we had just the discussion regarding missing office port for amiga. I think that this misses not only for AmigaOS but for all platforms. I would think it could be a good idea to make a bounty (f.e. on power2people or amigabounty) that covers all NG platforms. The programmer(s) who take the bounty defines what be the first platform but the program must be easy portable at the end. Aros will have a MUI update for Zune too so we could anticipate MUI 4 (like on AmigaOS or MorphOS) for GUI. There should be at least a proof that it runs on other platforms (without optimization).

What do you think? I would be interested to donate for it and a lot of others too. And it would be easier to find a developer for it.

The discussion:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34926&forum=32

Something like LibreOffice is desperately missing on all amiganoid platforms IMHO. (Wasn't there an OO port to AOS 4 in the making somewhen?)

in dreams... As far as I understand noone is working on a port right now

Well, I would like to spend some money for an office programm. Even more if it would benefit the whole NG Amiga communitie. But someone
with the skills of all 3 systems should compare the baseline to see if it is possible to build something as huge as an officesuit on a thin line
like this.

greetz defender

Reactions on aw.net don't sem to be too overwhelmed so far.

@Olaf: Since I am no programmer, this may be naive, but can Carsten Siegner's work be a starting point? Check comment #17 on amiga-news.de article from Jan 2nd (link does not work).

[ Edited by Megander 10.01.2012 - 16:23 ]

I have sent him a email. Perhaps Carsten would be the right man or at least can give advice. Thanks for the link.

And besides the reaction are really not negative. There are people from all camps that support it and it seems some sort of illness in the community to be negative at first.

there is the idea that KOffice might be easier to port than f.e. LibreOffice

I think Cinamon Writer is the best starting point. It seems to be quite progressed already, albeit some very basic functions are still missing (like figure import). but that one is genuine and rather well thought. Desler is pretty open to all Amiganoid systems. If I had better programming experience with MorphOS I would have offered him my help to make a MorphOS native version. DocX import works already, support for OOo formats should be doable, too.

that is not a office but a wordprocessing software. It would at least be better than no application. Is it Opensource? Is it based on MUI?

there are MANY discussions of this topic in various forms on the forums here...all of which led nowhere for various reasons. I'm not sure if cinnamon writer imports and saves in precise doc formats. It is just a word processor and a good start as said though. Never got a demo to work though, even with aosemu. OOo.org again would make all happy. pointrider is only a viewer and haven't been updated.

why not papyrus office? maybe a bounty or pizza money would tempt the devs back?

I have sent a email to titan and asked if he could explain the situation and if support could be possible

> Wasn't there an OO port to AOS 4 in the making somewhen?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=9&topic_id=7785&start=88

> why not papyrus office?

I think Titan should keep its promise first.

One short-term solution might by to use existing (and mostly free) applications: Yam, Pagestream, Ignition or Staram Plan, Xipaint, Muibase, Hollywood Designer.

i could try to improve integration between them. Not perfect but at least possible in a shorter time.

On the mid- and longterm a port of a office-package is still needed and I am still for a crossplatform bounty.

OlafSch,
Quote:
Titan? You seem to have missed this story for many years. Titan has pissed and betrayed us all. We bought Papyrus for a very high price, and all we got was a faulty foulish full of bugs BETA version with a builtin timeout date which makes it no more usuable for years now. He sold BETA versions as full versions and never ever delivered a fix for this. All he did was saying "yes, there will come an update" ... "you can just return the clock of your computer to 2005 and the program will still work" .. "the update is almost there" ... "everyone who asks me will get the update for free immediately" ... which he NEVER EVER delivered to anybody.

He still owes us a fully working version. But don't cound on this betrayer. He answers all the same phrases for years "the developer machine is dead and must be replaced" ... "the developer is on vacaation" ... "the developer is ill" ... "we need a veeeeeryyyyy rare part of the machine to be replaced, until that we cannot continue development" ... "we are waiting for the replacement parts for the machine" ... blablabla ... the exactly same phrases for years again and again. He betrayed us all and now he sits it out. Not answering mails, delayed answering if you ask again and get into details and all the same stuff again. For every offer or fact you tell him he will dig out another fairytale. Be it intentional or not: at latest since the time that he knows that the software he sold was not a full version but only a BETA version he is in charge to deliver as he is bound by contract. As he knows this, as he does not, as he minds up fairytales one after another just to NOT deliver, he is a betrayer. I would definitely NOT make any business with this man if I were you. You doubt my words? Look for it. There are many many proofs to find of many many Papyrus buyers in the web fora and mailing lists.

I did not know that story... thanks for information (I believe you). So I think Papyrus is no option then. There was a discussion that KOffice might be easier to port. What do you think?

KingsOffice OpenOffice AnyOffice if there is a programmer up to the task.

I cannot help with KingsOffice

The plan right now is to use:
Cinnamon Writer
Ignition (68k, perhaps ported versions)
Muibase
Yam
Hollywood Designer
XiPaint

Targets:
Improve data exchange between the Applications and for modern formats (my idea would be to write a data converter with Arexx-Port for that). Most connections with using Arexx-Port (Cinnamon writer shall get a Arexx-port that is based on Amiga Writer).

What do you think?

How would you exchange data between applications?

Support for de facto data formats could be nice (like reading xls files to Ignition) but it is useless if applications can't display data correctly. And I don't think ARexx port based implementation is going to work well... it is clumsy.

I also took quick look at CW screen shots and looks like it has got very basic UI...

I do not know in detail if it all will work well. I will look at it and try out. It right now seems the only realistic plan (as long as there is no port of a office-package)

it seems to become a solution based on following programs using the Arexx-Ports (where possible) and a kind of "Arexx-Port-Server" that includes missing logic. Arexx-Ports could be used for time-consuming tasks that are not needed very often and in realtime like converting data, transfering data from a spreadsheet to a central database etc.

The programs:
Cinnamon Writer/Pagestream/Final Writer (Cinnamon with FinalWriter based Arexx-Port)
Ignition
Amifig
Muibase
Yam

When was Ignition released?

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Amiga-News
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[ Edited by Kronos 13.01.2012 - 20:22 ]

> When was Ignition released?

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http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2006-08-00088-EN.html
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2008-10-00014-EN.html
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:-)