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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 06.09.2011 - 06:07 ]

> Ch3rrypal

Only a true hacker would spell Cherrypal this way ;-)

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 06.09.2011 - 06:06 ]

> I am no hacker

I know. It was an attempt at joking.

> but have noticed that one may always rely on you for a
> response here.

That's nice, isn't it? I mean before this thread sinks into obscurity unanswered...

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 06.09.2011 - 06:06 ]

> I think Dr. Ahmad defaced the webstore now.

Here it still works: https://www.cherrypal.com/secure/

Edit: And the blog seems to work as well:
http://cherrypal.com/GreenOpenFair/

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 07.08.2011 - 14:29 ]

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 06.09.2011 - 06:05 ]

> In theory, the company could send message to Google to reroute
> those search results it's been paying for to the webshop.

What do you mean "those search results it's been paying for"? I don't understand.

> in the absence of any webmaster

The site is still not operable but the hacker message seems to have disappeared. So I guess there is a webmaster present.

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 06.09.2011 - 06:04 ]

> consider first the dominance of the primary websearch engine.

I do but don't see how that's connected to what we're discussing specifically.

> It's my belief that it derives income from companies that
> pay it to have their links displayed first in search results.

I think you're confusing Google AdWords with Google's regular search results display. Actually, there're many things you can do to have your pages rank higher in the regular Google search results but paying Google is not among them. Google AdWords links are very distinguishable from regular search results and I don't see links to Cherrypal's website in any AdWords links, only in regular search results.

> I feel pretty sure about this

Your feelings are a non-argument to me.

> though I couldn't immediately point you to a URL that says so.

I'm sure you could find some URLs with conspiracy theories about Google which say so, but that would be a non-argument to me either.

> a query for the brand we're discussing, gives results, I think the first
> four, that direct to its website. Ch3rrypal doesn't get those for free, IMHO.

You seem largely confused about how this works. If I search Google for "morphzone" the first four results point to this very site. Who do you think pays Google for this?

> it doesn't take a webmaster to call an host and say "take
> down these hacked pages, and leave these others up."

True. It may very well have been an admin of Media Temple who was asked by a Cherrypal representative to take the defaced pages down, not necessarily Cherrypal's own admin or webmaster.

Does any of this really matter?
Cant you trust Cherrypal to even ship you the item you order?
Why by a new laptop powered by a low end PPC when used Powerbooks are available at comparable prices and are much more powerful?


Since we know we're getting Powerbook support, why are we still talking about this machine?

Let the Arabs deface the Cherrypal site. Its kind of amusing.

> Does any of this really matter?

Yes, to me it really matters how the Google ranking works (or rather how it doesn't work) because I make very extensive use of Google search. If Google would accept payment in order to rank a site or page higher in its regular search results I'd think twice before continuing to use Google.

> Why by a new laptop powered by a low end PPC [...]?
> [...] why are we still talking about this machine?

Cherrypal doesn't offer any PPC based laptops and never did, so I don't see the relevance of these questions here in this thread.

>Yes, to me it really matters how the Google ranking works (or rather how it doesn't work) because I make very extensive use of Google search. If Google would accept payment in order to rank a site or page higher in its regular search results I'd think twice before continuing to use Google.

That would make Goggle a less desirable resource. As always, good point Andreas.

>Cherrypal doesn't offer any PPC based laptops and never did, so I don't see the relevance of these questions here in this thread.

My apology. I must be confusing them with another manufacturer of crappy Asian netbooks.

> I must be confusing them with another manufacturer of crappy Asian netbooks.

Yes, obviously, as Cherrypal isn't a manufacturer of anything but a pure marketer.

>Yes, obviously, as Cherrypal isn't a manufacturer of anything but a pure marketer.

That can't entail a very large organization. When I was working with 68K systems, we only had a minimal staff and still had input on new designs.

Correction, that could be a large company, just one that has no real design experience.

> That can't entail a very large organization.

That's the case with most companies where the CEO handles customer care ;-)

> Correction, that could be a large company

It certainly isn't.

> just one that has no real design experience.

Designing/developing is again quite another matter than manufacturing. While Cherrypal doesn't claim to be a manufacturer it has been presenting itself as the designer of the products it markets:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cherrypal+%22designed+in+palo+alto%22
http://us.cherrypal.com/Cherrypal_Cafe.pdf (page 3)

Needless to say that Cherrypal is of course *not* the designer of those products.

Interesting.

I don't have much faith in Cherypal's ability to market, let alone design, anything.

But that is just a belief (and I know you prefer facts).