>> Surely, I am dumb as dumber.

>Either that, or you're playing some strange mental games.

Um, Vox, unless you are really into pain, arguing with Andreas is pointless.
He's probably the best indexer of information I have ever run into, and he prides himself on his accuracy.

Its unlikely you'll find any flaws in his statements, AND if there ever is one he will probably be the one to mention it.

[ Edited by Jim 15.03.2014 - 00:42 ]

Update:

> T1023 mentioned with block diagram and specs in
> http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_APF_NET_T0809.pdf (page 12)

Now announced with several more:

http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1916610

- QorIQ T1023/T1013 (block diagram, fact sheet)
- QorIQ T1024/T1014 (block diagram, fact sheet)
- QorIQ T4080

T4080 is pin compatible with T4240/T4160, and T1024/T1014 are pin compatible with T2081/T1042/T1040/T1022/T1020.

Make you wonder what kind of price they will be asking for the single core T1014.
This could help bring prices down.

> Any further information available on the T1042?

Prices for 1000 pcs. qty. revealed: 67...82 USD
Reference design board T1042RDB is 1250 USD.

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=T1042&tab=Buy_Parametric_Tab
http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/brochure/PWRARCHQIQSG.pdf (page 7)

Freescale lists Avnet as their US distributor for these, and that firm does not have either part listed in their inventory.
Then again, this is new, so there may be a delay.
What speeds are they rated at?

Is there no way to report spam accounts?! -_-

Edit: Never mind ... Because I can't see the spam post anymore.

[ Edited by In_Correct 03.05.2014 - 23:33 ]

The speed ratings of the new T1042 processors appear to be 1200 and 1400 MHz as per Freescale.

"Last three letters of the processor's partnumber are decoded as follows:

------------------------------------
CPU speed: M = 1200 MHz
P = 1400 MHz
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DDR data rate: Q= 1600 MT/s
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Die revision: A = Rev 1.0
------------------------------------"

> The speed ratings of the new T1042 processors appear to be 1200 and 1400 MHz
> as per Freescale.

Thanks for reporting.

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I just got curious and asked them to clear it up.

I have no doubt these codes are explained somewhere, but I am no where near as good as you are at researching things like this (so I took the direct route).

Either T1042 (or their 1 and 2 core related parts) would make a nice basis for an economical SBC similar to (but more powerful than) the Samantha boards with a 4X PCI-e video slot.

Addendum:

> I guess we'll have to see if Freescale will follow through with their announcement
> or if the QorIQ T5 will suffer the same fate as the MPC75xx and MPC87xx.

It's now been three years since the initial QorIQ T5 announcement, and FTF Americas 2014 has passed without announcement of any specific T5xxx chip, and the subsequent QorIQ LS generation is at the ready with several chips announced, so I think it can be safely assumed that the QorIQ T5 has eventually joined the ranks of MPC75xx and MPC87xx (even though there are disconcertingly recent Freescale documents like this one (page 7) from January 2014 mentioning the 2.5 GHz QorIQ T5 as if it existed).

Addendum:

> for now the PacketPro family of chips has those members:
> APM86190 (Green Mamba, single-core)
> APM86290 (Green Mamba, dual-core)
> APM8639x (Diamondback, single-core and dual-core)
> APM86491 (Catalina, single-core)
> APM8669x (Black Mamba, single-core and dual-core)
> APM86791 (Keelback, single-core)
> I assume that there's an APM8659x still to come ;-)

...or not:

"we are no longer introducing new PowerPC product designs"
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/711065/000144530514003286/amcc6-30x201410xq.htm (July 2014)
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/711065/000144530514002375/amcc331201410-k.htm (May 2014)

"the transition from a pure PowerPC plus a tiny ARM on some of our chips is going to move to a big ARM and no PowerPC in the future."
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/711065/000144530514001547/exhibit992transcriptofconf.htm (April 2014)

"up to a year ago, year and a half ago, we had a PowerPC business that we were also funding to make sure we had a roadmap."
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/711065/000119312514024308/d667222dex992.htm (January 2014)

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 12.08.2014 - 07:49 ]

I wonder why Freescale hasn't joined Open Power. Is that a sign that they are abandoning PPC altogether?

> I wonder why Freescale hasn't joined Open Power.

OpenPOWER deals with IBM's POWER microarchitectures. Freescale uses its own microarchitectures (like currently e5500/e6500). See my comment in the relevant thread there:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9463&forum=3&start=1

I'm not sure why Freescale should abandon its own microarchitectures in favour of IBM POWER at this point of time.

> Is that a sign that they are abandoning PPC altogether?

Freescale may or may not abandon Power Architecture (that's the ISA which both IBM POWER and Freescale e5500/e6500 are implementations of) in the future, but them not joining OpenPOWER is certainly no sign of that.

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So much for APM.
They failed to produce any really interesting PPCs recently.
I can not see them having them having that much success with ARM either.

> I think they should forget the x3500

In fact, I see indications that this may be the case. Refer to these blog articles and postings by A-Eon/AmigaKit where the X5000 is mentioned but the X3500 is not:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=760751 (March)
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=6167 (April)
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=768540 (July)
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=768736 (July)
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=6392 (July)
http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=6725 (October)

(Besides, Trevor seems to increasingly sneak in spellings like "AMIGAone" and "AMIGA one" to the detriment of traditional "AmigaOne" or "AmigaONE".)


Edit: added one more link

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 12.10.2014 - 18:52 ]

>> I think they should forget the x3500
>In fact, I see indications that this may be the case.

IMO, P5010 might be more usefull than P3041 option.

(and someone else should do T1 based boards for low end, then all new boards would use the same generation of CPU cores.)

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I have been saying that for awhile.

What would the difference between the X3500 and the X5000 be anyway?

It uses a processor with a different core.

> What would the difference between the X3500 and the X5000 be anyway?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=799

Jim is right. Details there:

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P5040
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P5020
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P3041

Personally, I don't find the e500mc core particularly attractive when low cost e5500 based products are available.
Then there are the new PPC476FP based products Andreas has mentioned.
And AMCC almost had a few decent introductions (although they appear to be moving off into ARM).

Frankly, I would like to see A-eon drop the X3500 and introduce an X6500 with an e6500 cored cpu.

[ Edited by Jim 20.07.2014 - 05:14 ]

> I would like to see A-eon [...] introduce an X6500 with an e6500 cored cpu.

I believe that may be the plan anyway, as successor to the X5000 (and probably with a different name).

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Well, thread has gone to AEON Cyrus boards, but please do update it with any SAM460 and MorphOS news, when related.

On the AEON topic (maybe should be separated) as far as I do remember Trevor stated in Obligment interview "- Are the ports of Linux, AROS and MorphOS are possible on the AmigaOne X1000 ? Will you encourage this ?

While I personally have no objection to other Operating Systems being ported to the A1-X1000 our main aim is to provide a modern power platform to showcase the advanced features of AmigaOS. The A1-X1000 has been developed specifically to run AmigaOS 4 and will be supplied with AmigaOS 4 from the beginning. However, we certainly won't discourage people who want to port other Operating Systems to the new hardware."

Which generally means that IF MorphOS team decides (Before going ARM, x64 or whatever) that e.g. Cyrus is viable and avail platform, faster and modern then G4 and G5 Macs (where AmigaOne X1000 failed mainly because of CPU choice) in despite of price, they can support it too.

From discussion, solely as new and modern PPC board Cyrus does generate interest. And what would be most interesting to see is MorphOS fully supporting such boards before AmigaOS 4.x At the other hand, like with SAM460ex, some audio and gfx drivers development to PCI-E cards would be overall benefitial for development of OS.

As usual, just theoretical talk. But its good to see Trevor publishes MorphOS related news on his blog too and updates it regularly.

@vox

Your quote is from 2010.

A lot has happened since then.

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