> had watched the Youtube videos with no sound originally

Err, I quoted from the *written* description of the first video, not from the audio commentary of either one :-)

> I'd originally inferred that you were referring to PS3 video driver support under Linux

In the context of circumventing or hacking the PS3 hypervisor's restrictions, which my posting was about, there wouldn't really be a point in referring to that, would it? ;-)

> Interesting developments

...from nearly 3 years ago. And almost immediately afterwards killed by Sony via firmware upgrade.

> I'd be curious to see if this develops any further

After nearly 3 years of no development on that very front and due to Sony having closed that hole long ago I'd rule that possibility out.

This forum is worst than talking in french pubs!

> This forum is worst than talking in french pubs!

Simple solution: Booze at home ...err I mean don't read it :-P

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> if you succeeded in circumventing or hacking the hypervisor to run your
> OS in "GameOS" mode and thus were able to access the PS3's bare metal...

http://www.marcansoft.com/blog/2010/10/asbestos-running-linux-as-gameos/

Additional advantage compared to running in OtherOS mode: all 7 SPEs at one's disposal.

He uses Jailbreak ... and Sony blocked that also with firmware update 3.42

There is a way to circumvent that ... for now.

I just ran through this thread. I can't believe you have enough time to keep up with all this Andreas, If game mode and RSX access are available why the F##k not go for it? MorphOS can run in 256MB easily (just ask any Efikla owner stuck with 128MB). A 3.2 Ghz Cell processor? That's one of my wet dreams I'd given up long ago.
I never thought the PS3s hypervisor protection would be defeated, so when IBM nixed Cell based PC applications (outside of the sever and PC cards they'd already assisted in developing) I pretty much gave up on these ideas.
Would providing the development team with a PS3 with old enough firmware to be hacked encourage them to test it as a possible port?

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No, in fact I have a old PS3 with old enough firmware but I won't waste a second on that...

IT WON'T HAPPEN, I hope you finally get it.

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For a start, the Cell CPU is a hell of a complicated thing to program for: A central "clever" unit, and seven almost dumb units around it, with their own bandwidth problems...

If the Team was fed with zillion euros to make a port, it would still be a nightmare, in my opinion. Not to mention there's no documentation, and the manufacturer has a record of actively shutting down every attempt at it.

The CELL processor looks almost tailor made for weird scientific calculations. I was very surprised it got to a games console.

Pega-1, don't you have an XBox 360...?

(me ducks)

Supporting more (PPC) hardware is not meant in a way to support every ppc style hardware that can't run away fast enough and climb a tree to hide from MorphOS team.

Does anyone really believe that a hacked game console will be used to register and support a ppc desktop OS ? I seriously doubt that.

The only reason to hack/modify a game console is to play pirated games. The < 1 % that truely do it to do homebrew stuff doesn't count really .....

Anyway, it's not worth all the efforts in the end. Considering the efforts that already went into MorphOS, some might raise a similar question regarding the current user base, though ....

> If game mode and RSX access are available why the F##k not go for it?

As I hinted at here, RSX access would require a driver for nVidia NV47 GPU:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Reality_Synthesizer%27

> Would providing the development team with a PS3 with old enough
> firmware to be hacked encourage them to test it as a possible port?

Apparently the MorphOS Team is not interested in a port to PS3. You may also refer to that old thread:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6051&forum=32

One could argue that the back then voiced requirement to consider a port is about to be met though:

* "it's a waste of time until someone cracks this useless "computer" wide open"
* "if these guys have managed to run proper homebrew with full hw-access by then we can talk..."

;-)

> the Cell CPU is a hell of a complicated thing to program for:
> A central "clever" unit, and seven almost dumb units around it

One could happily ignore those "almost dumb units" and pretend they are not even there. That would leave the CPU with a "clever" 3.2 GHz two-way threaded in-order Power Architecture core.

> there's no documentation

...like there's none for the PPC Macs.

> The CELL processor looks almost tailor made for weird scientific
> calculations. I was very surprised it got to a games console.

The Cell processor going into the PS3 had been known since March 2001, i.e. years before the specs of the Cell processor itself became known in November 2004. So your surprise must have been about the Cell's specs rather than about the fact it was going into the PS3 ;-)

Those are odd comments. The Cell is no more complicated than any PPC. The SPEs don't even have to be used. IBM may not provide a wealth of information on the product, but there's more than enough to code for it. As you pointed out Andreas, the Nvidia GPU is far more mysterious.
Its a shame there are so many negetive responses on this idea as I can't think of an OS that would be better suited to the PS3 than MorphOS.

> Those are odd comments.

I don't think they are.

> The Cell is no more complicated than any PPC. The SPEs don't
> even have to be used.

That's exactly what I wrote. Odd, isn't it? ;-)

> I can't think of an OS that would be better suited to the PS3 than MorphOS.

Seems the MorphOS Team can think of hardware that's better suited to MorphOS than the PS3 ;-)

So we enjoy the older mac hw for now till maybe next year for perhaps power book, then few more for another opt?
Whatever, I'm good right now with macmini, and efika as backup. skeaking of homebrew...Wii
everything else was mentioned in this thread
(Me ducks too)

> skeaking of homebrew...Wii

While I regard the Wii as far too limited for MorphOS, there's a MorphOS Team member who seems to feel to the contrary:

* "If you want to donate hardware, atleast donate something useful, like a Wii"
* "the Wii is cracked wide open and thus is the most probable candidate among the current-gen consoles for a MorphOS port."
* "[88MB of ram is] plenty as long as you don't run 3dlayers or anything else fancy, it's not as if you'd expect a Wii to turn into your main computer"

I think the MorphOS team has still a lot to do to accomplish support for Powerbooks and G5s. Once they are done with that it may be time to target new hardware. But with teh current philosophy there is no harware shortage and hence no reason trying to support everything and a cow.
I think Pega-1 was pretty clear with his comment and I think he's right. Let's not look what *might* be possible, but rather use what is available now. And currently Apple G4s are the better target (port done, cheap, powerful enough) than a PS3.
Next milestone is the Powerbook. After that maybe the G5. I think that is prospect enouh for now.

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If you like to quote from over 2 year old threads, you probably should add the original datestamp to your quotes as well to put things into perspective (at least use past tense ;) ).....

Maybe there is business in MorphOS for PS3 ... port MorphOS and hack the PS3 so people can play backups trough MorphOS. The team would sell licences beyond their imagination in just a few days ... well up to the next firmware update that probably will come out in just a few days after.

No honestly... a Wii with 88MB Ram? no thanks. And a port to PS3 ? Why ? A lot of effort and probably Sony screws it in a few days with a firmware update rendering your PS3 useless either for MorphOS or for playing games if you stick to the old firmware.

If they really want to do something else after the Mac compatibility ... porting to another architecture would be best I think, unless PPC architecture revives ofcours... you never know. No harm done then.

[ Edited by Oepabakkes on 2010/10/23 12:50 ]

> If you like to quote from over 2 year old threads

I do :-)

> you probably should add the original datestamp to your quotes

I expect anyone who leans towards drawing conclusions from these quotes to click the links beforehand. And be it just to know who exactly wrote those lines :-)

> at least use past tense ;)

While I'm not a native English speaker I think that past tense in English language implies that the action is completed, i.e. that CISC now doesn't feel this way anymore. But I don't know if CISC's stance regarding a Wii port changed over the past 2 years as I haven't read anything to that effect nor to the contrary. Do you know if it changed?

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I can assure you that CISC didn't hold his breath for 2 years waiting for a sponsored Wii to get MorphOS working on it.
Unfortunately, CISC's time to work on MorphOS is very limited nowadays, so you can definitely put his formerly planned actions into past tense ....

> I can assure you that CISC didn't hold his breath for 2 years waiting
> for a sponsored Wii to get MorphOS working on it.

Hehe, CISC waiting for getting a sponsored Wii to happen is not even what my use of present tense implies anyway :-)

> you can definitely put his formerly planned actions into past tense

I surely didn't even go as far as reading his past comments as "planned actions". In fact, I only wrote about his general opinion on the Wii's suitability for MorphOS. But interesting to know that he had actually planned to do a MorphOS port to the Wii. Thanks for giving this information.
Back to what I really wrote: Him not being able to work on a Wii port anymore (as you say) wouldn't necessarily mean that he doesn't generally regard the Wii as a suitable target platform for MorphOS anymore, would it?

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Not so much a plan as a wish. ;)

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Well, perhaps not a very suitable platform, but a fun exercise, and at the time indeed the only viable one. Now there is the possibility of PS3 due to recent efforts, but given Sony's stance on the matter (even going so far as suing end-users) it's still as unlikely as ever.


- CISC

> Let's not look what *might* be possible, but rather use what is
> available now. And currently Apple G4s are the better target
> (port done, cheap, powerful enough) than a PS3.

If "port done" was a valid aspect for evaluating potential target platforms for MorphOS then we'd still be stuck with MorphOS for PowerUP hardware at best ;-)
Regarding "cheap": Currently, the PS3 starts new at 240 EUR (with games) or 295 EUR (without games) in the EU.
Regarding "powerful enough": Yes, a new 1.6 GHz G4 processor upgrade for the PowerMac G4 starts at (converted) 113 EUR currently, which leaves 127 EUR for a used PowerMac G4. That's assuming the 3.2 GHz Cell PPE is about as powerful as a 1.6 GHz G4, which is just an estimation from my side.

> Not so much a plan as a wish. ;)

That's what I thought prior to pega-1 telling me otherwise. Thanks for clarification.

> perhaps not a very suitable platform

So am I right in concluding that your stance regarding the Wii's general suitability for a MorphOS port in fact did *not* change? (Back then you told to the effect of "suitable, but with limitations", i.e. not "very" suitable, but still).

someone explain how firmware (or upgrades) affects ps3 port? This is just for clarification. I assume you do a fw-boot as in efika, and install Mos. The issue would then come under sony upgrades then, if you had sony'os boot ps3? what if we stripped that as in one os (mos?). as pega-1 said dead issue just want reasons in clarity ,as I don't own a ps3, but would consider it if morphos could be on it.