Does anyone have any credible figures on how many AmigaOS and MorphOS users there are left Worldwide that turn on and use an AmigaOS, or MorphOS computer at least one or two times a week, including those that only have WinUAE, or EUAE to get their Amiga experience on?

I know that there is no way to get an exact count, or probably even an accurate estimate of how many users are left, but I am interested to see how my estimate compares to others and what statistical data others might have to back-up their estimate of remaining users?

Just for entertainment value, I am also curious about what members here think were the total number of users at the height of the Commodore Amiga days and how many Amiga computers were ever produced?

You may ask why I would be interested in such information. Well, I have no idea how many MorphOS1.4 users there are that have decided not to purchase MorphOS2.x, but I see them, plus all of the AmigaOS4.x users as the most likely target to become new MorphOS2.4 users. After them, AmigaOS3.x or earlier users and former users would be the 2nd most likely target to promote MorphOS2.4 towards. Finally, some tech savvy and curious MacOSX and Linux users might be interested in looking at, or trying out MorphOS2.4.

My estimates of the difference between how many users are already using MorphOS2.4
and how many people could be potential MorphOS2.4 users might be off by a few thousand.

So, if you don't have anything better to do than reply to stupid threads like this one, let me know what you think and why.

My guess is there are 1500 active users and another 1500 inactive users. Inactive as in occasionally post on forums and maybe even have an Amiga but are just keeping an eye on developments.

I feel I am overoptimistic with my numbers but I prefer being optimist so I choose 1500

When estimating numbers always keep in mind many users have many Amigas (OS3 + OS4, OS3 + MorphOS, OS4 + MorphOS, XYZ+AROS, etc) and some have many Amigas. I.e. I have got an Efika, Pegasos 2 and soon Mac mini. And of course many Amigans have left in recent years.

> how many Amiga computers were ever produced?

Some figures:

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/sales.html

@itix

I don't think you are being too overoptimistic I was going to actually say about 3000-3500. But who really who knows anyhow?

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Great link, but out of date, so its usefulness is very limited.

I know, or think that the AmigaOS and MorphOS communities have suffered greatly over the last 5 years and we are only a shadow of what we were 10 to 15 years ago.

The approx. 700 licenses for MorphOS2.x since 2.0 was released, what less than 2 years ago, is a sad reflection on the number of users we have (plus the number of other MorphOS1.4 users that were unwilling to pay for the OS).

I don't know numbers for AmigaOS4.1, but there seem to be more of them, at least that is my impression. Maybe they are just more vocal and active on forums than the MorphOS users. But, like I wrote in another thread, the activity level here does seem to be increasing (even not counting my own rambling scores of posts) over what it was when I first got my Efika about 16 months ago.

So, Itix says about 1500 active users and another 1500 inactive users. I would say his estimate of active users is a little higher than what I would think if we are only talking about users that are active on forums, like here, amiga.org, amigaworld.net, amigans.net, eab and a few other sites, but since I only really keep a close watch on three of those, maybe he is right. Inactive users I would guess are higher than his estimate, or at least I hope so. It would be a sad state of affairs to think that out of the once millions of Amiga users, we have been reduced to only 3,000 Worldwide and half of them are not really active.

Note there is a distillate of fine applications to go with the hard core users (builders). The tools are there as well an access to them. Use them instead of being used by others.

Went skiing @ Big Bear Lake a long time ago. Beautiful place Summer or Winter.

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No place quite like it on Earth! It is beautiful and has clean air only a mile and a half (7,000ft.) above sea level and the smog of the Los Angeles and Inland Empire areas. A lake to boat on and fish from, or water ski on in the Summer with forest roads and trails all around and the best two snow skiing resorts anywhere within 200 miles of Los Angeles and San Diego and all the beach cities between the two. It is actually only about 100 miles or less from down town Los Angeles. Less than that to Palm Springs for a quick way to get out of the snow to a warm place in the Winters. A little more than 100 miles to the beaches, about 200 miles to the Colorado River and all the entertainment that it, Laughlin and Lake Havasu have to offer. About the same distance to the giant sand dunes of Glamis to play on sand buggies, quads and other dirt cycles. Only about 4 hours drive to the Mexican border if you want to get out of the USA for a vacation in a different world. Head East and a little North for about the same 4 hours (actually less) and you will find yourself in the city that never sleeps and has the largest electric bill on Earth, Las Vegas. The weather is sunny about 320 days each year and even when it is cold in the Winter, it warms up so it is not too unbearable during the middle of the day. The Summer days are mild and it rarely ever reaches 90 degrees Farenheit on the hottest days, so Air Conditioning is not installed in 98% of the houses built here. Most days of Summer are around 70 to 80 degrees and very comfortable.

Yes, there is no place quite like Big Bear Lake. My family moved there in 1967 and I have considered it my "Home Town" ever since, even though I have moved away from it a couple of times, I always seem to find my way back. I will always have deep roots there, no matter where I might wander in my life.

Any of you are welcome to visit me there, just give me a several days advance notice. In fact, I have invited a couple of Amiga users up to my place for the weekend of November 28th & 29th to play with, work on and talk about Amiga computers and my two MorphOS computers. Anyone that lives within driving distance to Big Bear Lake is welcome to join us, just let me know.

Back on Topic, does anyone else care to provide their estimates of how many AmigaOS3.x users there are left in this World of ours (including WinUAE & EUAE users)? How about AmigaOS4.1 users? MorphOS1.4 users? MorphOS2.x users?

[ Edited by amigadave on 2009/11/9 23:48 ]

amigadave wrote:
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Dont forget about all the users with more than one Mos machine, i got 3 peg's and i can't be the only one with more than one machine. so the actuall numbers of users is lower



[ Edited by SMF on 2009/11/10 8:42 ]

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Yes, I know. That makes things even more sad and challenging. But I do believe that with a little cooperation and hard work from all of us here, we can multiply that number, what ever it might be, by a factor of 10 within the next few years. And if we do that, who knows what the upper limit might be for MorphOS users and future development of third party software.

It is tough getting any momentum going with such a tiny user base, but I think what the MorphOS development team has created so far is worth the effort of those that see it's advantages and potential. So, I type and push for more action from the members here, and I try to think of what else I can do myself, because the longest of journeys still start just like any other, with a single step. The MorphOS development team has taken their first steps by creating MorphOS2.4, but there is tons of more work that must be done and they cannot do it all themselves. We need a few hundred good men/women developing third party applications, games and utilities for MorphOS, promoting MorphOS, teaching others to program for MorphOS, creating new MorphOS users from the most likely potential candidates, etc., etc., etc.

I think those users who left us a few years ago is so used to have memory protection, firefox, flash, fast cpu's etc by now so they are hard to take back before we have this.

> Great link, but out of date, so its usefulness is very limited.

Albeit sales figures from Escom era are missing, I doubt that they'd add much to the number of Amigas ever produced. Thus, I think the numbers provided by the link are quite useful to estimate the number of Amigas ever produced.

@amigadave

The only way to know:

AmigaOS3.1-3.9 - official legacy figures
AmigaOS4.x - email Hyperion (gosh, they can always say they've sold 100 000 copies, my point is that's the only way to know anyway)
MorphOS2.x - licenses plus some estimate based on analysis of downloads / registering ratio in same time
MorphOS1.x - licenses plus no idea
AROS - some estimates on download estimated on hardware support
WinUAE, E-UAE - some estimates on download
AmigaForever - email to Cloanto plus some estimates who's using their OS3.x (the rest came there for ECS emulation)

Anybody needs a topic for MSc from statistics?