Update from earlier this morning. I moved my G4 MacMini running MorphOS2.4 to eliminate my Netgear switch from the chain of equipment I use to connect to my cable modem, so now it is just my Mororola SB5101 Surfboard cable modem connected to my Linksys WRT54GS wireless G router connected to my MacMini.

This is the exact same connection that my Dell PC uses that I listed the 10.88Mb/s download speed and 1.07Mb/s upload speed.

I could not use the same test site though, as it requires Flash, so I visited three other sites that have speed tests that work with OWB. Here are my results of 5 test runs at each of the 3 test sites with OWB on MorphOS2.4 and immediately then checked the same sites with my PC running Firefox on Vista Ultimate.

http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-speed-test/
MorphOS2.4/OWB results 622.2Kb/s, 538.3Kb/s, 521.2Kb/s, 626.6Kb/s, 570.5Kb/s
Vista/Firefox results 1074.5Kb/s, 967.5Kb/s, 962.4Kb/s

http://performance.toast.net (Shuttle + Text test using Yahoo server)
MorphOS2.4/OWB results 1188Kb/s, 2217Kb/s, 1921Kb/s, 1832Kb/s, 1918Kb/s
Vista/Firefox results 4314Kb/s, 4667Kb/s, 4628Kb/s

http://www.ispeedometer.com
MorphOS2.4/OWB results 1.99Mb/s, 2.23Mb/s, 1.66Mb/s, 1.44Mb/s, 2.02Mb/s
Vista/Firefox results 4.47Mb/s, 4.41Mb/s, 4.55Mb/s, 4.61Mb/s, 5.27Mb/s

My ISP is Charter Communications in Big Bear Lake, CA, USA Zip code 92314 and Area code 909

These results seem to be much better than I had experienced previously and are only approx. half the speed of the Windows PC using the same connection, so perhaps I should not complain any further. I can certainly live with the 2Mb/s numbers, but if it returns to 10Kb/s to 15Kb/s, then I will be looking for a solution again. I will do more testing tomorrow with the Netgear switch re-inserted between the Linksys router and the MacMini to see if it goes back to the really slow connection speed.

I hope more of you that are having slow connection problems will use the test sites I have listed above and conduct the same tests and then share your results, so the Development Team can see what is happening with your connection equipment.

Edit: All tests listed above were done while my Brother was using his computer to browse the Internet wirelessly from his room and my Son was playing the Online game "Guild Wars" (a fairly high bandwidth game) via a wired connection to the same Linksys router.


[ Edited by amigadave on 2009/11/21 21:16 ]

[ Edited by amigadave on 2009/12/14 19:01 ]

Cool report but the speed test dont work for me, speed are always 10, 15, 20, 25kbps on all internet, but today with another ethernet swicth i download faster (not all time and not at full speed) but seems better, this swicth is a dlink 10/100 fast ethernet switch DES-1005D.



[ Edited by kickstart on 2009/11/25 7:51 ]

@Piru

Is it just a matter of listing the hardware components as I did earlier, or is there something else you would like us to try/do as well?

Hi folks!

Hope this helps someone:

Mac Mini 1.5 GHz -> D-Link DE-809TC ancient 10MBit Hub -> DSL -> BAD
Mac Mini -> D-Link DES-1005D -> DE-809TC -> DSL -> GOOD
Mac Mini -> Netgear FS105 -> DE-809TC -> DSL -> GOOD

Conclusion: It seems "just" the 10MBit autonegotiate between MacMini/MorphOS and the ancient 10MBit Hub has issues. Both 100MBIt Hubs work fine, even with the 10 MBit old hub "behind", linking to the DSL router. Reason I still keep the ancient 10MBit hub: Weird cabling between DSL and wall, only the "good olde" hub seems to be able to connect with that mess of cabling.

So: connecting the Mini with "any" 100MBit hub instead of 10MBit solved the issue... at least for me.

Any more questions, let me know!!

I reg'd MOS + it rocks :)

I'm seeing this problem too on my new Mac Mini 1.5ghz machine. My home is wired for gigabit with a Netgear switch connecting to my D-Link DIR-855. On my 100mbit connection I top out at 0.5 mbps down, usually it's hovering around 15KB/s.

I haven't used an Amiga-like system in 15 years but as soon as I get my bearings I'll post proper HW details. :)

I am very confused, as I have now had days/nights where my download speeds for the G4 MacMini running MorphOS2.4 and using the exact same connection that I used for the previous tests which gave me up to 2Mb/sec have again dropped down to 0.5 to 15Kb/sec.

I did not change any of my hardware or cabling. I did not change the software I am using. I don't know why I would have such a drastic difference and would like to know if anyone on the MorphOS Development Team is having any of these download speed problems with their MorphOS2.4 computer setups?

Edit: Wondering if it might have been the site I was downloading from that was the problem I had earlier this week, I just visited the same three speedtest sites I used earlier in this thread and verified that my worst test result was 420+Kb/sec with my best test result from three attempts being almost 2Mb/sec. So I must conclude that slow download speeds on my G4 MacMini running MorphOS2.4 must be the fault of the sending server and not MorphOS2.4 itself. Although it may not like having my NetGear network switch between my Linksys wrt54g wireless router/switch and the Mini's ethernet jack.

So, my suggestion to anyone that is having slow download speed problems using MorphOS2.4 is to document every piece of equipment you are using in the chain between your G4 mini and your ISP and use the same speed test sites I have listed. Test several times and give your results here. Take your G4 Mini to other peoples houses and check to see if you have the same problem and speed test results from those other locations. Document everything as thoroughly as possible and try to find equipment that fixes the problem so we can help the Development Team narrow down the possibilities and thereby help them find out if it is a problem within MorphOS2.4, or if they just need to specify which equipment is supported until they have time to support the equipment that may be causing the problem.

Personally, I would rather have the team working on other parts of MorphOS, so we need to do our part to help them pinpoint this problem (if it is a MorphOS2.4 problem) so they can fix it and move on to more important features.

[ Edited by amigadave on 2009/12/14 19:08 ]

[ Edited by amigadave on 2009/12/14 19:17 ]

@amigadave
It's a MorphOS problem with many (all?) Mac Mini 1.50Ghz with 64Mb vram and it's a """random""" problem, so difficult to be found.
I don't know because, but sure it's NOT a problem of hardware networking... probably a driver bug/problem.
I hope It's solved with MorphOS 2.5.
Regards.

[ Edited by Divinity on 2009/12/15 14:00 ]

[ Edited by Divinity on 2009/12/15 14:01 ]

> It's a MorphOS problem with many (all?) Mac Mini 1.50Ghz with 64Mb vram

Acill on page one has a 1.25 GHz machine. Besides, my 1.5 GHz machine doesn't have such problems.

Hi,
I also own a Mac Mini 1,5Ghz 64 Mb vram, and it's very slow...I can't download at more than 20-30 kb/sec
with OWB or wget.
I tested with lot of host : youtube, fab's free server, speedtest, and many others.
I don't have this problem with my Mac at the same time.
I change ethernet cable & hub slot. reboot.
Always a poor speed.
if you wish I can do a video.
Thanks

@Divinity & gibs,

Nothing is going to get fixed if you don't specify all of the hardware you are using, which sites you have tested and what speed results you got at those sites and you can reproduce the problem consistently and prove to the MorphOS development team that it is the MorphOS driver that is the problem.

From what I have read, none of the MorphOS development team has had any of these problems with their G4 MacMini's Ethernet connections, so they are not going to waste their time working on something they cannot verify is broken.

Maybe you have a router or switch that is not compatible with the MorphOS driver for some reason, but unless you let the team know what routers, or switches you are using so they can start making a list of the people that are having problems and what gear they are using, how are they supposed to find a solution?

amigadave,

Thanks for the answer, the the problem seems real.
If you ask me a specific test to do, then I can do it.

Tell me what more do you need to know about my MacMini.

For the Adsl Switch, I use a French "NeufBox V4"
Actually it is connected at 7488 Kbps. The Mac Mini is directly connected to it.

You'll admit that it's impossible to watch a youtube video with 30kb/s of bandwith.
Youtube is not faulty because I tested others websites. but I can test the one you give me if you want or do some other test.

Thanks


[ Edited by gibs on 2010/2/10 22:03 ]

I have the same issue with my Mac Mini 1.5Ghz with 64Mb vram...

Pretty unscientific, but with the CNet Bandwidth test:

490 kbps with MorphOS

862 kbps with Mac OS X 10.5.8

(same machine, same hardware)

I'd be glad to provide any other details as needed.

IKE

@IKE

Are these bytes or bits?

Anyway, it's unlikely to be the same issue. In your case, it has more to do with the dating AmiTCP/Sana2 design, not really suited for higher inet speeds (but locally, you probably still get >8MB/s speed, i guess, you could check that).

The real slowness problem originally exposed in this thread is about getting unstable and very low speed, like less than 10kB/s (which may be related to some autonegociation issue).

@Fab

They are bytes. I'll check the local speed.

OK thanks, that makes sense about AmiTCP/Sana2 because my A1200/060 get's about the same transfer rates when connected to the same line as my MorphOS machine.

IKE

Hi,

IMO there must be something going wrong (perhaps autonegotiation) with the sungem_eth.device. I connected a macmini together with some Peagsos2's using Envoy3 and when accessing a shared partition it takes everytime several seconds before the content of the partition becomes available. Transfers from or to these partitions are much slower then when doing the same between 2 Pegasos2...

If testing is needed please let me know what excately to test, I will be glad to help.

Quote:

Hmh... I don't believe it's the issue still. Here are some results I've got earlier with different AmigaOS/MorphOS systems and they don't indicate such slowness because of AmiTCP/Sana2...

And one online speed meter with OWB says currently 8.82 Mbps (1.1 MB/sec) with Mac mini 1.5GHz & MorphOS.

Heh.. I made some tests with OSX on 1.42GHz mini too... with that online web based speed test. Seems to give different results with different browsers. Firefox 9.60 Mbps (1.2 MB/sec), Safari 9.25 Mbps (1.16 MB/sec), Opera 547.50 kbps (68.44 KB/sec) :). I repeated the test many times and switched to different browsers many times in different order. Results were always similar.

Sooo, I wouldn't trust to those online tests too much. Better to download something yourself from fast and reliable source instead.

[ Edited by jPV on 2010/2/11 19:47 ]

As I said, I tried with wget & owb and I get the same speed...

Quote:

If you read all of this thread you will see what my suggestions are in my earlier posts and which sites I used to test the speed of my 1.5GHz G4 MacMini running MorphOS2.4 compared to my PC with Windows Vista Ultimate using the same connection hardware to access the Internet. As you can see from my earlier post, when I removed a Netgear switch and moved my MacMini so it could be connected directly to my router and it seems to have fixed my problem (most of the time).

Others have suggested different testing, so you might want to look at those suggestions as well, specially anything suggested by Fab, or other members of the MorphOS development team. The more info you can provide to the team, the better the chance they can figure out what is causing the problem.

Hi,

this ethernet problem with the MacMini is driving me crazy! Doing a lot more testing with the MacMini I found the following out: sometimes there is no problem, it works fast and fine, no stops during e. g. download, or not stops during copying from or to another LAN partition and sometimes eg. after a reset the problem is there! And I don't know why or from what this could come from... The speed I get is about 5.5 MB/s during file-copy from one LAN partition to another with Envoy3 when there is no problem, which is basically the same I get between two Pegasos2 though when the problem exists I experience stops during copying, transfer rates are much slower either LAN or internet...

On both, the MacMini and the Pegasos2 no dhcp is used but a fixed ip instead (of course the ip's are different on the Pegasos2 it's 192.168.1.153 and on the MacMini 192.168.1.159, mask on both is 255.255.255.0 and gateway on both is 192.168.1.1

Just to show this problem I made 2 small videos where I open MyMorphOS, where all the mounted partitions then are shown. As you can see doing this on the Pegasos2 is instantly, doing this on the MacMini, when there is the problem, the same takes about 8 secs... Excately the same mounts are available on the Pegasos2 and the MacMini.

The videos are avilable here:

http://www.rmsvideo.ch/morphos/

User: rms14@dmz.local
PW: rms4234

in the directory mos_24

- macmini_mymorphos_open.avi
- pegasos2_mymorphos_open.avi

I also noticed that in the ramdebug log after a reset there are "context failed" entries, is this normal? Here is a log I get after reset the MacMini:

Setting Mac MAC
Setting Mac Serial
Setting up Keylargo ATA 3
Setting Mac EDID
SYS_HWEnableInt: IntID 0x0
ABox 1.26 (17.11.2007) ? 1999-2007 by Ralph Schmidt, Emmanuel Lesueur, Teemu Suikki, Harry Sintonen
SYS_HWEnableInt: IntID 0x4
SYS_HWEnableInt: IntID 0x400001d
keylargo_Init: ResBase 0x200b8c58 SysBase: 0x20001948
keylargo_Init: done
PMac_Init:
SYS_HWEnableInt: IntID 0x4000027
ide.device@0: ATA-HD WDC WD1600BEVE-0 <DIRECT_ACCESS>
LIB_Open from task $200b0138 "? AsyncInit - <ide.device> ?" context failed!
LIB_Open from task $200b0138 "? AsyncInit - <ide.device> ?" context failed!
LIB_Open from task $200b0138 "? AsyncInit - <ide.device> ?" context failed!
ide.device@0: Mount <M9System>
ide.device@0: Partition <M9System> DosType 0x53465300 BootPri 0
LIB_Open from task $200b0138 "? AsyncInit - <ide.device> ?" context failed!
ide.device@0: Mount <M9System1>
ide.device@0: Partition <M9System1> DosType 0x53465300
LIB_Open from task $200b0138 "? AsyncInit - <ide.device> ?" context failed!
ide.device@0: Mount <M9Work>
ide.device@0: Partition <M9Work> DosType 0x53465300
LIB_Open from task $200b0138 "? AsyncInit - <ide.device> ?" context failed!
ide.device@0: Mount <M9AV>
ide.device@0: Partition <M9AV> DosType 0x53465300
LIB_Open from task $200b0138 "? AsyncInit - <ide.device> ?" context failed!
ide.device@0: Mount <M9MM>
ide.device@0: Partition <M9MM> DosType 0x53465300
ide.device@1: MATSHITA CD-RW CW-8124 <CDROM>
SYS_HWEnableInt: IntID 0x400003f
SYS_HWEnableInt: IntID 0x4000030
UserLibOpen : $VER: muimaster.library 20.6848 (10.10.09) ? 2008 Stefan Stuntz, PPC, MorphOS, DEBUG
SYS_HWEnableInt: IntID 0x4000001
SYS_HWEnableInt: IntID 0x4000029
Brynhildr [Aboutbox.mcc 20.14 (10.10.09)]

Any idea what could go wrong here?

I could make further tests if I would know what excately to do...

Regards

Same here with the eth problem on 1.25Ghz Mini 512MB Ram. Works good for about 10 minutes straight to my zyxel 660, then lag between network activity with varying download rates. Average rate is around 45 kB/s. I now usually use my PC to download at 350kB/s since it's much faster. I also see other issues with task management, but still, this is the first bit of awesomeness I've seen in a long time!

I also have problems with network on MacMini. It's not related to speed (didn't check download rates at all), but I think it's still related to the topic of this thread.

I use MacMini G4/1.4 Ghz, 1 GB Ram, 64 MB VRAM.
MorphOS 2.4, OWB 1.6.1

Whenever I start OWB it stalls for short time, system seems to freeze, cannot even move the mouse. After some seconds everything works normal again. The same always, when I change the site. I click on a link -> system freezes for some seconds -> new site is shown.

Until now I only got known to freezes when a program does something illegal (freeing memory not reserve before etc) and MOS need some time to do the debug output. But in this case LogTool shows nothing.

OS-X + Safari on the same machine works fine.

The same MOS/OWB-configuration on my PEG2/G3 works fine, too.

So it has probably to do with the ethernet driver for the Mini.

It doesn't make a difference if I use my router (DLink DIR-615) or a direct ethernet connection to the cable modem. Well, the modem itself also has kind of router in side. Otherwise MOS wouldn't be able to go online at all, as it only supports LAN connections but not direct internet connections.

I found out sth. interesting. When I use the the IP-adress instead of the hostname to access a site, the problem does not occur. Of course, if the site loaded contains absolute paths and thus requires dns-lookups, there will be problems again after the main page has been loaded.
If I use IP-adress and the site only contains relative references (for images etc), no problems occur.

For me it seems to be a DNS-Lockup problem.

Hope, this helps...

Err, do you really mean "system freeze" or just "application freeze", because the first one is really weird. If it's the latter, then just enable "use network thread" option in OWB network settings. By default, OWB (or rather all webkit implementations using CURL) resolves hosts in main task context, leading to that kind of latency, especially if the lookup is long, but it's limited to the application, of course

I never have experienced network problems on MorphOS. All the downloads i made were in the order of 100kbs. Of course, i have 10mb adsl line.

100kb/S on a 10mb line?

You should be getting ~1mb/sec in a 10 mbit line...