Does anybody have a guess as to how many MorphOS licenses have been sold so far?

Must be in the hundreds by now, maybe even thousands?

I remember Genesi boasting about how many boards they sold or had given away so there must be a very large base of hardware out there and potential MorphOS 2.x users.

> how many MorphOS licenses have been sold so far?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5875&forum=14&start=40#62088

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personal insult.

[ Edited by hooligan on 2009/3/21 1:20 ]

@ feanor: LOL that was a great post from you i realy enjoyed it!!!

@feanor
Thanks alot, you took the words from my mouth.

ssolie must be really disappointed with his AmigaOS4.x machines and OS to be spending so much time here asking questions about MorphOS.

Or perhaps he and other users of AmigaOS4.x have now seen the advantages of MorphOS vs AmigaOS4.1 since they can both be run on the same Pegasos2 hardware and are frightened that it will cause some of their users to defect, so they decided to try harassment and intimidation in a feeble attempt to disrupt and damage our little community and/or the MorphOS team.

Or maybe he and other AmigaOS4.x users are worried about how the completion of MorphOS3.0 will affect the long range success of AmigaOS4.x because the performance to cost ratio gap will be so great between anything you can run AmigaOS4.x and the 1.5GHz MacMini's running MorphOS3.0.

Who thinks he is really here because he wants to contribute something positive to this community? Or is he here just to stir up trouble? Is he over at one of the AmigaOS4.x forum sites asking the same kinds of questions?

[ Edited by amigadave on 2009/3/20 15:23 ]

Ok keep it civil. We're openminded for all kinds of debates, but personal insults will not be tolerated. Welcome to Feanor anyway, sorry to welcome you to this site this way.

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You don't see him asking the same questions on HypeOS 4.x focused forums, so one might wonder what his motives really are.

He can download MorphOS 2.x and try it out for free and see for himself if it's worth spending his money on. If he doesn't like it, well then just run OS4.x and quit whining. Who cares..

I wonder if he also want's to know where his money goes when he buy's a hamburger at Mc or whatever, or how many have been served before him ;)

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Sorry, I did not think anything I wrote was an insult. I think they are all legimate questions and possible reasons for his actions on these forums since he has admitted he is NOT a MorphOS user.

If you will show me where I insulted anyone, I will gladly apologize and refrain from such insults in the future. I do question ssolie's motives and reasons for posting in these forums in the manner which he has.

@amigadave
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Dave, you were much nicer at AmiWest. Kidding!

Seriously though, I was always interested in MorphOS as far as Quark and the QBox were concerned. It still could be something really cool. But I'm not at all interested in the ABox. Sorry but I think the ABox is a dead end. It took a while but I finally figured out the devs aren't moving forward on QBox so I guess that is that. Heck, I could still use a Peg2 though so maybe I will run MorphOS on that once I get one.

Then the whole issue of money popped up when at least one dev said he wasn't doing it for any money. When I asked where the money was going and got jumped on it made me wonder where those payments were really going. Fab was nice enough to straighten me out in IRC the first time but of course I misunderstood amidst the barrage of insults and joking around. It seems Ralph Schmidt is collecting all the money; still no word on whether he is incorporated or whatever. That is kinda important to know these days especially if there is a dispute or something. There would be nothing stopping Mr. Schmidt from just taking the money and disappearing leaving the rest of the team stranded is there? Oh well, I suppose nobody cares about such matters.

As for AmigaOS, I already know far too much about that topic from about 2.1 to 4.x because I did some work for Commodore back in the day and now I do a little for whomever happens to own AmigaOS at his moment. Depending on who is suing who that changes on a regular basis... Hopefully, they'll get that mess figured out some day but in the mean time, Hyperion is the current owner of the sources and is doing its best to keep forging ahead. You can check out their web site if interested. Kinda off topic for a MorphOS forum.

Anyway, I thought I'd pop in and see how MorphOS was evolving and found the usual "red" vs "blue" stuff going on. I got sucked in of course. Just can't back away from a fight you know. It is a real shame a guy like me can't post questions without immediately being labeled as a red freedom fighter or whatever. Sigh.

Anyway, I was actually interested in the approx. number of MorphOS users around these days thus this topic. Nothing else to it.

@ssolie,

I am not here to make any enemies or cause trouble and I would like to give you the benefit of doubt, but from all your posts that I have read, the statements you just wrote don't ring true (unless I missed something).

IIRC, you raised the issue of money a few posts before Piru answered that he has not taken any of the license money. Then there is your post where you seem to threaten about reporting that the proper VAT tax may not have been reported. That does not seem like simple curiosity, does it? Also, besides the fact that it is not anyone's business to know where the money went, unless they are part of the team doing the work, what other software development teams or companies do you know that would release such information? Your request for such information is just plain insulting and encourages the kind of responses you received. It smacks of an implied accusation that something sinister or wrong is going on with the money, or the people who are collecting the money. As for your flippant comment that no one cares about where the money goes, I am sure the team cares and knows and it is nobody's business that is outside the development team.

I am well aware of all the trouble that has gone on between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion and the progress of AmigaOS4.x that the Hyperion team has accomplished and I applaud them for their work. I hope it continues and wish nothing but success for them. I have never before participated in any of the so called "RED vs BLUE" wars and believe that competition is good for both communities (I actually see it as one community still).

As such, I try to extend my friendship to both AmigaOS4.x users and MorphOS users. At this point in time I believe that the better system is MorphOS and that is the one I have chosen to use and support, but that does not mean that I couldn't change and start using AmigaOS4.x if it should advance further and faster than MorphOS. I am going to use the best Amiga-like operating system I can find.

I am sure you are a nice guy and if we meet again this year at AmiWest I hope we can laugh at this silliness, but I do not appreciate your recent behavior and apparent motives on these forums.

I meant Feanor, not you. We cool

@hooligan
I do not apologize, I believe I just expressed what was on most people's minds. OTOH, I understand why you removed my post. Anyway, as Arkanoid said in another thread, there *are* more important things to worry about. But, idi^H^H^Hconsistent lack of understanding is a great way to trigger such posts. And a forum is a much easier place to lose temper compared to real life :)

@amigadave
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Just a note: actually, publicly owned companies are required to release this information, but this is not the case. And it would be for the investors' interest anyway and not for the general public. Which again is not the case.

[ Edited by feanor on 2009/3/21 9:41 ]

@feanor,

Thanks for stating the obvious. I know that you meant well, but I think most of us are adults here, that know the difference between public owned corporations and small groups of software developers.

ssolie wrote:

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... says the guy who calls himself "a field commander for the red army" in a discussion thread in which he comments about the discontinuation of the Pegasos 2 mainboard due to the European RoHS directive as follows: "now that you know these are lead contaminated boards why not make the environmentally responsible decision and not buy them at all? They should be properly disposed of." (Mind you, the poster owns the lead contaminated A1 and microA1 mainboards himself, according to his signature on other community portals.)


In fact, the poster has been clearly identified as a troll on other community portals a long time before he showed up on MorphZone. He posted the very first comment regarding an update of AmIRC for MorphOS on AmigaWorld which was removed and replaced with the following notice from a moderator:

"Troll: Trolls show no respect for other people's opinions and deliberately crafts messages to provoke others with the intention of wasting their time and energy or just to cause anger and confrontations. There is no point in arguing with them; their minds are made up. Ignore them, and report the posts immediately to an Amigaworld Team Member. Repeat offenders may incur an instant banned."

> a discussion thread in which he comments about the discontinuation
> of the Pegasos 2 mainboard due to the European RoHS directive as
> follows: "now that you know these are lead contaminated boards why
> not make the environmentally responsible decision and not buy them
> at all? They should be properly disposed of." (Mind you, the poster
> owns the lead contaminated A1 and microA1 mainboards himself [...])

...and states here in this very thread that he "could still use a Peg2 though so maybe [he] will run MorphOS on that once [he] get[s] one". Hypocrisy at its best.

> In fact, the poster has been clearly identified as a troll on other
> community portals a long time before he showed up on MorphZone. He
> posted the very first comment regarding an update of AmIRC for
> MorphOS on AmigaWorld which was removed

Interestingly, this was the same day he became a member here.

@amigadave
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I'm sure we will all have a good laugh. I just fell into the defensiveness trap which is so easy to do on web forums.

ssolie

you do of course realize you will never get an accurate answer for this - much like your hyperion friends when you ask how many copies of os4 sold..

so why even ask other than to start trouble? (and like i said we already have a trouble maker here an angry chicken)

> you will never get an accurate answer for this

"508" very much sounds like an accurate answer to me (see post 2).

Looks like about 500 licenses sold so far at say 150 EUR a pop means Ralph Schmidt has taken in 75,000 EUR which is getting close to $100,000 USD. After deductions for used Mac hardware and such I'd think the MorphOS Team can easily afford to make a showing at AmiWest 2009.

We don't want amigadave to be all alone again...

It might look like a pretty penny at a first glance, but if you only think just a little bit further you will realize it's peanut money really.

1. First of all - You will have to deduct VAT from that, money that never stay at the seller.

2. Many licenses were sold at the introductory price of 111.11 EUR.

3. There are more costs than "deduction of used mac hardware" involved in MorphOS as it is, as you should know perfectly well, for example proprietary technologies like MUI 4, Poseidon, etc (I don't know to what degree Genesi still contributes to that). And if your ambition down the road is anything but forever remaining a "hobby OS", you will need money to further invest in proprietary technologies to make that happen. Depending on what you might want to do, you might want access to commercially closed/protected media codecs and standards like DVD, a real web browser like Opera, Java perhaps, Flash, access to closed SDK's and developer programs for chips, software or other standards, etc.

4. This kind of money won't take you very far then, but perhaps they could do one thing or two of the above mentioned? It's not any of my business how the MorphOS team chooses to invest their hard-earned money, and it sure as hell isn't any of your business either, but it wouldn't be difficult to find something better than wasting it on a trip around the globe to attend to a worthless 50 people "family gathering" type of event, especially if 49 of the attenders are the slightest like you, which probably is the case. And I know that Ralph Schmidt considered it to be a complete waste of money when BBRV etc *actually did* visit that gathering half a decade ago, back when that gathering actually was a fraction of what it perhaps used to be. You will have to prioritize. Perhaps they can send amigadave a Mac Mini with a beta of MorphOS 3.0 via air mail instead?

You are really persistent in coming here talking about how much money "Ralph Schmidt takes in" for "used mac hardware" etc, like it would be a fracking crime to be commercial in the first place. I wonder why, could it be that you are "jealous" that the Friedens only has managed "to take" (yes, they "take money" as well) a 10th of that on 4.1 SAM sales, and perhaps a third of that for A1 and Peg2 4.1 sales combined (which is a reasonable estimation IMHO)? Well, you will have to remember that this is not the MorphOS team's fault so you should really give it a rest.

First, until this january, there simply was no realistic hardware available for potentially new OS4 users, and while the Peg2 port changed that, it's still a fact that the Peg2 is only available as second hand. So they had no chance in reaching volume in the first place, and they also sell each unit at a lower price (I guess a lower price is the only way they see they can compete, since their product is *inferior* in practically every single way of measurement (you get what you pay for), and simply can't sell at the same price as MorphOS, especially when their "hardware tax" is so much higher), which means *even less* money.

But that's how things are in a competitive world. The Friedens made their own choices. Try to get over it.

I already have my 1.5GHz G4 PPC MacMini (so no need to send me one) and plans to attend AmiWest again this year with my Efika running what ever the current version of MorphOS is at that time, but I would love to show a beta of MorphOS3.0 on my MacMini at the show if the public release is not finished yet.

I'll certainly volunteer to show either a beta of 3.0, or the real thing in finished form at AmiWest 2009.

Tim & Chris are you ready for another road trip? Maybe we will take Tim's car this time (and I promise not to take it off-roading and hit any rocks this time).

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Seems to be a direct contradiction to

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If your only interest is how many MorphOS users there are (as you claim), why do you keep going back to the topic of money?

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Because Morphos is *evil* and the root of all evil is money so therefore Morphos is all about money